designchris Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Shouldn't the designer be the expert on how their font will work best? Write a few lines in Arial using Designer - are sure that this font comes with proper leading? And why does it look at least quite OK in all those other programs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catshill Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 7:21 PM, Fixx said: First thing in creating a publication should be setting styles. (Well, first is setting document size.. but after that.) Yes I agree with that. I often go through my publications and remove the default styles and ones that APub has “invented” so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 26 minutes ago, designchris said: Write a few lines in Arial using Designer - are sure that this font comes with proper leading? And why does it look at least quite OK in all those other programs? I have. It looks fine to me with Publisher's default, for the Arial font that I have. Certainly better than going to 120%, which is too widely spaced between lines. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 40 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Why do you believe that Adobe, Microsoft, et al, know better than the font designers what the leading for their font should be? Shouldn't the designer be the expert on how their font will work best? Many/most fonts don't use maximum values in the ascent/descent values for a couple reasons. But set some text in Vietnamese and whatever the default line spacing is used for Arial will probably be too tight (I don't actually know anymore because I don't want to reset APub back to its defaults...). 10 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: I have. It looks fine to me with Publisher's default, for the Arial font that I have. Certainly better than going to 120%, which is too widely spaced between lines. Like I mentioned earlier, 120% is just what has been traditionally used, mostly due to Word's default. It is too loose when setting letters that do not have ascending/descending diacritics. It's fine when setting something that uses ascending diacritics. When there are both ascending/descending diacritics it begins to get tight when those letters on successive lines line up so ascending marks are directly below a line with descending marks. But it is just a "safe" default. That's all it is. Any percentage that Serif would choose (and percentage it should be) will never usually do for a given typesetting job. Which is why it's a good thing defaults can be changed: this ability can/should satisfy everyone, including designchris. So I'm at a loss as to why all the whining about how Serif has chosen to handle it. Like the defaults? Leave them alone. Don't like 'em? Change them and be done with it. This cranky SOB is now gonna retire from the discussion... walt.farrell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seneca Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, designchris said: Sounds like Adobe CC is too far away from reality to be used in professional environments. But Affinity products for sure are far ahead of Adobe. I'm not sure what's your problem. Affinity Publisher gives you all the tools you need to get what you want. And don't call stupid things you don't understand as this may backfire. jmwellborn 1 Quote 2017 27” iMac 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 • Radeon Pr 580 8GB • 64GB • Ventura 13.6.4. iPad Pro (10.5-inch) • 256GB • Version 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
designchris Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 12/16/2019 at 11:48 PM, MikeW said: So I'm at a loss as to why all the whining about how Serif has chosen to handle it. Like the defaults? Leave them alone. Don't like 'em? Change them and be done with it. If there was a global app-wide setting for that, I'd be happy! Anyway, thanks everyone for joing this truly hot discussion! StrawHousePig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Harris Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 3/2/2020 at 10:48 AM, designchris said: If there was a global app-wide setting for that, I'd be happy! Anyway, thanks everyone for joing this truly hot discussion! You can use Edit > Defaults > Save to make the current defaults apply to new documents. StrawHousePig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
designchris Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 On 3/11/2020 at 10:12 AM, Dave Harris said: You can use Edit > Defaults > Save to make the current defaults apply to new documents. OMG - thank you so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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