Maybe not a bug — but sorting it (out) would be nice nonetheless

[A_B_C]

Hi there,

I think the View Menus of the different Publisher Personas could be ordered a little more consistently, within the different sections as well as in themselves. At the moment, everything is looking a bit confused.

Thanks for considering, Alex 

[Old Bruce]

I have been wanting this fixed for a long time.

[thomaso]

Isn't it a feature?

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Take that, taken only from one: AfPub:

  

 

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[A_B_C]

You must be right … 

[Alfred]

10 hours ago, thomaso said:

   

Also inconsistent is that the ellipses are missing from the menu on the right. Additionally, ‘Brightness and Contrast’ in the first is ‘Brightness / Contrast’ in the second, whereas ‘Black and White’ in one is ’Black & White’ in the other.

[fde101]

On 6/22/2019 at 5:12 AM, Alfred said:

Also inconsistent is that the ellipses are missing from the menu on the right.

The one on the right is correct in this case.  Ellipses indicate that the command requires more information before it can be completed, but adding an adjustment does not - adding the adjustment layer happens without prompting for more information, and a window to control the adjustment is opened.  It would be nice to have the menu on the left synced to match the one on the right.

[thomaso]

25 minutes ago, fde101 said:

and a window to control the adjustment is opened.

An additional window is always the case for menu commands with ellipses. That is what the ellipses do indicate: you can click harmless because nothing will happen unless you confirm in a next window. In case of adjustments something does happen – even though I can undo or delete the layer, but this is not relevant for these menu item ellipses.

Edit: actually, for real mac-like, there would be a "Cancel" button in the upcoming window to prevent a layer to become added. (but that, indeed, would be a bit weird)

[fde101]

To quote from Apple's Human Interface Guidelines:

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Use an ellipsis whenever choosing a menu item requires additional input from the user.

https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/menus/menu-anatomy/

 

Even Microsoft managed to get this right in their "uxguide":

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/uxguide/cmd-menus#using-ellipses

 

As does GNOME:

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Do not add an ellipsis to labels such as Properties or Preferences. While these commands open windows that can incorporate further functionality, the label does not specify an action, and therefore does not need to communicate that further input or confirmation is required.

https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/writing-style.html.en#ellipses

[thomaso]

fde101,
sorry if I wasn't clear: Yes, I do agree, the adjustment menu items should not have ellipses.

I just thought that your arguments were not unequivocal.

"The ellipsis character (…) means a dialog or separate window will open and prompt the user for additional information or to make a choice."

I rather mean, to follow the guidelines in the adjustment menu would not be practically for the user, since, indeed, one gets asked for information or to make a choice in the following window. So, the guidelines don't help here in detail because for AfPubs adjustment selection one could say: "Ah, yes, a window appears – but you may ignore it" ...and don't have to prompt or may to refuse to give further information. But this is not the goal of that window. That made me think of the Cancel button as an additional distinctive mark. But even this isn't always true.

"Do not add an ellipsis to labels such as Properties or Preferences."

Do you understand why in macOS the "About this Mac" entry has not but the "System Preferences ..." entry has ellipses? For both a window will open which enables you to make choices. Or why are no ellipses at "File" > "New folder", though it results in a new object (window) with a highlighted text field waiting for your information and prompt?

 

[fde101]

43 minutes ago, thomaso said:

the "System Preferences ..." entry has ellipses

Good catch... the "System Preferences" and "App Store" options in the apple menu should not have ellipses; this is a good example of Apple not following their own guidelines.  That doesn't mean everyone else should do it wrong, but rather that Apple has a problem of their own they need to fix.  The "Restart" and "Shut Down" options are a bit more on the fence, as they do have a checkbox in recent versions as to whether or not windows should be re-opened when logging back in, which is in fact additional information they are asking for.

[Sean P]

Hi A_B_C,

Thanks for letting us know. I've passed these improvements onto development.

[A_B_C]

Thank you, Sean …