Joerg Thoeming Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I noticed something quite unpleasant in all 3 apps checking out the final Publisher … Color management does not seem to work properly: While all Adobe apps display 100% cyan correctly on my hardware calibrated monitor (EIZO CG 277), this is clearly not the case with Affinity apps. Since we already have to pay attention to correct coloring in the layout phase, this would almost be a knock-out criterion for us if color (especially in the pre-press area of important boundary areas) could not be displayed correctly in the Affinity apps. I have of course checked the color settings in the Affinity Apps - everything quite the same like the Adobe Apps with cmyk ISOcoated v2 ... Please find attached a ZIP with a screenshot - InDesign and Publisher side by side (PNG incl. Monitor color profile - if the PNG is opened on a properly calibrated monitor, for example in Photoshop, the difference is clearly visible). Hopefully, I overlooked something ... AffinityColorNotCorrect.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Move Along People Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 - Quote Move Along people,nothing to see here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_B_C Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Surely the PNG screenshot was only for documentation purposes, not meant as a final output format. ronnyb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Thoeming Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) @haakoo This 4 sure I know but to show the difference with a screenshot the PNG with the Monitorprofile shows it very well in Photoshop (if u have a correct profiled Monitor - Even P3 does not match 100% cyan) Find attached a cmyk JPG - the color result doesn't change AffinityColorNotCorrect_jpg-cmyk.zip Edited June 20, 2019 by Joerg Thoeming Attached cmyk JPG with profile ISOcoated v2 A_B_C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Thoeming Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 @A_B_C u got it Cheers, Joerg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Move Along People Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 - Quote Move Along people,nothing to see here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Thoeming Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) @haakoo Of course I could write a PDF x4 every time for review and check it in Acrobat DC - but I do not think that's very efficient. To see the correct colors on the monitor, should currently be a prerequisite for software that wants to act with Adobe at least at eye level. Do not get me wrong - I find the way, the Serif with the Affinity apps is absolutely great to create radically meshed programs (Studio Link !! 1:1 iPad version !!). But especially in this process, you have to point out a few basic restrictions that may well be a no go for agencies (for example, the desktop apps on the Mac - the color space P3 on the iPad, of course, can not afford 100%, that's clear). Edit: And that's why I can not understand that Apple is serious about their new and expensive high-end monitor on the color space P3 ... Edit2: macOS Mojave 10.14.5 Edited June 21, 2019 by Joerg Thoeming macOS completed Move Along People 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie-f Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 On Windows I don't have this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_B_C Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 @Joerg Thoeming Am I right in the assumption that the slight dithering in the cyan color on the left of your screenshot (Indesign) is an artifact of taking the screenshot and saving it to JPEG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie-f Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 I don't see any dithering, not in the screenshot.png or in the saved .jpg. The screenshot shows how the colors are shown on my calibrated enviroment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_B_C Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 @ernie-f I wasn’t talking about your screenshot, but about the one in Joerg’s post. When I zoom in on that screen shot, I clearly see a pixel pattern (on any screen), and I wonder whether it should be there. Hmm. Maybe I am slightly confused at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Aren't these pixels just an empty image frame indicator? Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_B_C Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Oh, I am not talking about the dark blue pixels that run down from top left to bottom right, but about the slight dithering in the cyan areas. ronnyb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Ah, that's possibly by JPG-compression. His screenshot PNG doesn't show this kind of dithering, and it has the CG277 monitor profile assigned. [hm, ... and it does not have the dark diagonal lines that are in the JPG, which was probably later created from the PNG – how did these lines come into the JPG if they were not in the original screenshot? ] Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_B_C Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 If that’s JPEG compression … why doesn’t it happen on the right side, where the cyan rectangle from Designer is displayed? Furthermore, why do I see similar dithering in the PNG already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, A_B_C said: why doesn’t it happen on the right side, where the cyan rectangle from Designer is displayed? Because of better color management – No, serious, I have no idea where the dithering in the PNG would come from – unless it is no original screenshot file. Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Thoeming Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, A_B_C said: @Joerg Thoeming Am I right in the assumption that the slight dithering in the cyan color on the left of your screenshot (Indesign) is an artifact of taking the screenshot and saving it to JPEG? Yes — The original png with the original Monitor Profile is PNG ... for showing it with a cmyk Profile it has to be Profile converted and saved as cmyk JPG What ever I tried – the Affinity Apps are out of gammut and not able to show 100% cyan... Edited June 23, 2019 by Joerg Thoeming A_B_C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Thoeming Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 I found out what the dithering is - InDesign was in layout mode not in preview mode - so the dithering is nothing else then the lines of the (color) container (the cross in the middle). Pleas find attached a new ZIP with both: original monitor profile PNG and a profile converted into ISOcoated v2 JPG. It is what it is - the Affinity Apps are out of gammut (Mac only?) macOS 10.14.5 (Mojave), EIZO CG277 hardware calibrated (99% AdobeRGB, 100% ISOcoated v2) AffinityOutOfGammut.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie-f Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Wow? So significant! Maybe a Mac-Affinity-Problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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