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As the title, I have a question regarding, 'supplied PDF's with embedded fonts'. Is Affinity Publisher likely be able to handle the embedded fonts in future? I am trying to get my clients to convert all their fonts to curves, but, you know some, they just don't get this (it's hard enough getting them to add bleed and trim). So I'm having to convert to JPEG myself using Preview on iMac. Seems to be okay.

Thanks

Andy

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2 minutes ago, abfdesign said:

Is Affinity Publisher likely be able to handle the embedded fonts in future?

I think Serif will be severely limiting the potential user base if such a capability isn’t added to Affinity Publisher. Designer and Photo need it too.


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On 5/24/2019 at 12:32 PM, Alfred said:

I think Serif will be severely limiting the potential user base if such a capability isn’t added to Affinity Publisher. Designer and Photo need it too.

Well, not me! I'm loving Serif. I'd marry them if I could... Although, my wife my have something to say about that!!

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On 5/24/2019 at 5:02 PM, Alfred said:

I think Serif will be severely limiting the potential user base if such a capability isn’t added to Affinity Publisher. Designer and Photo need it too.

That's why I still use my PP to open a PDF (with Import Text as curve) then export again for Affinity. :D :23_stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:


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4 hours ago, Arun Sarkar said:

That's why I still use my PP to open a PDF (with Import Text as curve) then export again for Affinity. :D :23_stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

What is PP?

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1 minute ago, MEB said:

Hi abfdesign,
It means PagePlus - the desktop publishing app from our legacy line.

Thanks. Is that something I can obtain? Or is it discontinued?

 

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Hey MEB, any idea if this feature will be coming to the Affinity line at any point?

It's annoying to open a PDF and for the embedded fonts to all appear wonky if I don't have access to them.

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1 hour ago, MEB said:

(...) at some point.

Until then: How about enabling correct PDF appearance "as is" – unless a PDF will get opened in AfPub.


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12 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Until then: How about enabling correct PDF appearance "as is" – unless a PDF will get opened in AfPub.

8 minutes ago, MEB said:

Embedded fonts support is also needed to display the PDF as is (without the fonts installed).

And before the question is asked, embedded font support is needed for a option to convert text to curves upon importing. 

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23 minutes ago, MEB said:

Embedded fonts support is also needed to display the PDF as is (without the fonts installed).

Oh, I had different understanding of "embedded font support" since it already works like a charm on export.
That made me think it is no technical issue to activate it vice versa, which would not happen yet because of legal matters for EDIT a pdf.

Now I wonder, do any applications which show PDF fonts correctly support embedded font in that same way and therefore could possibly enable edit PDF? There is no preview at all inside pdf which could be shown on canvas? (and ignored on print/export by sending pdf's original data instead?).

 

 


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17 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Oh, I had different understanding of "embedded font support" since it already works like a charm on export.
That made me think it is no technical issue to activate it vice versa, which would not happen yet because of legal matters for EDIT a pdf.

Export is different than the display of a pdf as a non-editable object and then having that pdf passed on without screwing up the fonts used. That requires rendering the fonts as-is, which requires embedded font support. It's called pdf passthrough. It's not a legal issue.

18 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Now I wonder, do any applications which show PDF fonts correctly support embedded font in that same way and therefore could possibly enable edit PDF? There is no preview at all inside pdf which could be shown on canvas? (and ignored on print/export by sending pdf's original data instead?).

I am unclear on the first sentence I bolded. Are there applications that can open a PDF for editing and use the embedded fonts? Yes, several. Are there applications that can place a pdf and pass-through a pdf virtually untouched? Yes, seveal. And there are several applications that can convert a PDF to editable objects but require the fonts used like the present Affinity applications.

There is no real embedded preview inside a PDF other than page thumbnails (if the pdf creating application included them).

Mike

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56 minutes ago, MikeW said:

Export is different than the display (...) which requires embedded font support. (...) It's called pdf passthrough. It's not a legal issue.

(...) Are there applications that can place a pdf and pass-through a pdf virtually untouched? Yes, seveal.

This answered my questions, thank you. I had assumed that exporting requires mostly same font rendering code as displaying a PDF, – simply in kind of different direction. Like "reading from screen and writing to file (pdf)" <–> "reading from file and writing to screen".


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On 5/29/2019 at 3:45 PM, MEB said:

Hi randomjames,
Yes, we do intend to add support for embedded fonts at some point.

Oh yes, I think this is very important for professional work

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I really want to use Affinity Publisher to put the final touches on sheet music scores, but it's pretty much impossible to use for that until this feature is added. For the value, I know a lot of others who would switch from their current solutions when this becomes available. 

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A few days ago I discovered that Graphic/iDraw (from pre-affinity times still on the hard disk) converts fonts containing PDFs  (single pages) into curves when opening them. CMYK images are falsified, but the paths are very good.


This article has been written with the kind assistance of DeepL.

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Apart from the increased number of Publisher crashing without warning issues, embedded font pass through is at the very top of my desperate needs list.

Until then I have to convert the PDF using other tools...

Microsoft's PDF printer driver

The PDF to PNG converter

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On Mac, this tool can be used to outline all the fonts in a PDF.

https://pages.uoregon.edu/noeckel/computernotes/FontBegone/

It uses Ghostscript to achieve the conversion. It can be done via the command line as well as long as Ghostscript v9.15 or higher is used. I use PhotoLine to do this, because with GS installed it will import PDF files with fonts as outlines, if required.

But it is of course also possible to use the command line and the GhostScript command on either Windows or Mac to do this.

See for more information:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28797418/replace-all-font-glyphs-in-a-pdf-by-converting-them-to-outline-shapes

 

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