v_kyr Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 This will somehow lead to another fruitless discussion, as often seen before here, since people will in general have different opinions and priorities here. My impression of the WebP format is that third parties bit by bit (slowly) do adopt it, which might have overall to do with no wider support/usage in software and also certain competitor related technology politics etc. Actually I see it's web usage mostly by online image- and news agencies, there used by their content management and editorial systems. We will see if it will prevail as another image format in the IT field or not. Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 57 minutes ago, Ben said: Apple have concluded that other formats return better results than webp - that might well shift the balance if they adopt them instead. There are always other reasons for companies pushing tech - whether it be to get around patent or rights, etc. It's not always about the pay off to the end user. And MickeySoft doesn't support it. Not at this time. Though there is a 3rd-party codec available that allows one to view them in Windows and convert to jpg. So who has the larger install base? So the argument could be why support that format? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Ben Posted May 23, 2019 Staff Share Posted May 23, 2019 I'm also informed that Webp has no support for floating point or HDR. Web seems quite behind the curve compared to other conduits for media presentation - HDR will soon become the baseline for displays, as it is already for TVs. Apple might still have influence on which formats are most future suited when they announce their support for HDR tech soon. Looking at the wider picture - webp doesn't look like it will be the long term winner. The future isn't 8-bit, and it isn't SDR. Quote SerifLabs team - Affinity Developer Software engineer - Photographer - Guitarist - Philosopher iMac 27" Retina 5K (Late 2015), 4.0GHz i7, AMD Radeon R9 M395 MacBook (Early 2015), 1.3GHz Core M, Intel HD 5300 iPad Pro 10.5", 256GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowday Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 To my knowledge webp is mostly about the quality to size ratio - offering faster page loads and significantly smaller transfers of data between servers and visitors. Both as a replacement of PNG and JPG. "Media presentation" is a lot of things. We have around 50 million visitors a year on our website and although we utilize SVG more and more for symbols we have to use a lot of jpg's and some PNG illustrations. The smaller the better. The bandwidth used on displaying these images to 50 million visitors is significant. We always have bigger fish to fry than optimizing images but from time to time our architects mention images, page load times and the extreme peaks of visits we have more and more often. When we do have to optimize images the winner will be the smallest image file size. Different scenarios - different file formats. I remember when Google removed a few chars from their Google Search page and saved quite a bit of bandwidth yearly. An amazing amount, actually. Bits matter in both ends. The future is money and speed too. Medical Officer Bones and MikeW 2 Quote "The user interface is supposed to work for me - I am not supposed to work for the user interface." Computer-, operating system- and software agnostic; I am a result oriented professional. Look for a fanboy somewhere else. “When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.” ― Confucius Not an Affinity user og forum user anymore. The software continued to disappoint and not deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medical Officer Bones Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Agreed. Webp is a unique format in that it combines both lossy image compression combined with alpha transparency. It is a great format for 2d hand-drawn game graphics, for example, for which I use the format. PNG takes up too much file space, and the art looks just fine with a lossy compression. Jpeg wouldn't work since it does not support transparency/alpha. On a web page often a lossy compressed image with full alpha works just as nicely as that PNG version, but hugely saves on bandwidth. To reduce a PNG file in file size, colour reduction is the only option, but it can only be taken so far before it degrades the image too much. For example, a typical asset that would be reduced to 1024 colours with alpha transparency at ~600x600px would take up around 130KB file size after running it through a PNG optimization power tool (forget saving an optimized PNG version from Affinity Photo). Saving this same asset at full colour in a lossy webp format results in 55kb. Running the 1024 colour version as a webp version shaves off even more. And both the alpha and colour data can be independently processed in Webp, offering a lot of optimization potential. By now all major browsers support the file format. Only Apple obstinately refuses to do so. Webp potentially saves a lot of bandwidth, and thereby a lot of energy. By not supporting webp export, Affinity is only shooting itself in the foot. But all is moot anyway: Affinity still to this day does not allow the user to preview what the assets look like optimized. I can't even consider Affinity for image optimization work unless that is implemented. And quality/export control over PNG is terribly limited in Affinity as well (and to be fair in most design apps), so I use Color Quantizer (a dedicated PNG optimization tool) to perform the final optimization step. It will also export Webp. To be entirely honest, the entire export persona in Affinity is not that useful to me in its current state. But I do confess to be a complete nitpicking asset optimization nutcase! So it is probably works just fine for the average user. Jowday, MikeW, lepr and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Given that the whole point of webp is smaller file sizes, it makes sense that it would be limited to 8-bit representations. I believe it was designed mostly to get the transfer sizes down for the benefit of mobile users on relatively slow metered connections, for whom larger files (such as floating-point or HDR) could actually cost them more money, in addition to the slower load times. For such users the format is likely "good enough" for most sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccardo B. Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Are there any active roadmap for adding WebP export? Now all main browser support it natively, also Safari (since 14.x https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-notes/safari-14-release-notes ). All Media Lab and Michael Lloyd 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrB Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) We use webp extensively as image resources for our Android mobile apps because it greatly reduces the apk size and thus reduces the download time of our apps. This would be a really nice feature to add. Edited December 30, 2020 by ChrB Riccardo B., Michael Lloyd and Jowday 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphos Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Thank you for all the arguments in favor of WebP. I personally would like to point out: Google PageSpeed Tools recommend Webp because it speeds up loading time. In my job, I can't close my eyes to this. Due to the fact that Afinity doesn't support it, I have breaks in my workflow because I have to use 3rd party tools. I didn't think I would have to deal with Gimp again. Annoying. For me privately, I also find it nicer when my image archives are considerably none with subjectively the same quality to almost 100% JPEG exports. The trend towards WebP became clear years ago. There are even smartphone foto apps that save in WebP. Dear Affinity Team. Affinity Photo is innovative in so many ways. What are you waiting for? Michael Lloyd, All Media Lab and Riccardo B. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Snoeck Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 I will follow 🙂 I agree with sisyphos And many user who are waiting for this export format. Michael Lloyd and Riccardo B. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cker Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I also add my support for WebP export! According to Can I Use... ?, it is now supported by all modern browsers and over 90% of users on the web. All Media Lab, maccesch and Michael Lloyd 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Snoeck Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I totaly agree, so I will follow this post to see what Affinity reply. All Media Lab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lloyd Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 On 5/22/2019 at 8:41 AM, Ben said: It's not yet supported by Safari, though. So are web developers really employing formats that are not universally supported by browsers? Developers should always advocate for superior solutions. Apple's inability to keep up with standards is a ridiculous reason to not support those standards. Same with Microsoft and Internet Explorer when that was an issue. Website development tools all have failover features, often put in place for browsers failing to keep up with emerging standards. First the capability is provided, demand and support follows. It's always been that way. All Media Lab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On 5/11/2021 at 6:24 AM, Marcel Snoeck said: so I will follow this post to see what Affinity reply. Serif does not respond in principle to requests for functions. This has been mentioned many times on the forum. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miami Mann Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Hi there, just wondering when you will add webp format to the export options? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 4:11 PM, Miami Mann said: Hi there, just wondering when you will add webp format to the export options? Thanks Serif does not promise any dates in advance. When it does, it will - it will first appear in a Beta version, that you can watch. Patrick Connor 1 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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