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1 hour ago, fde101 said:

Affinity Publisher is not a renamed successor to PagePlus.  It is a completely different program in a completely different product line developed by a different team which just happens to be from the same company that had previously developed PagePlus.

I don’t think Serif is big enough to have “a different team which just happens to be from the same company”! @AdamW was the PagePlus Project Manager for several years, and I believe that @Dave Harris was instrumental in adding OpenType capabilities to PagePlus: one of the most well-developed aspects of the Affinity apps, in my opinion, is their handling of OT features. So we’re all benefiting from many man-years of experience in Serif’s development team, giving the new software a good start, but it’s still early days for this fledgling product line.


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2 minutes ago, Alfred said:

 one of the most well-developed aspects of the Affinity apps, in my opinion, is their handling of OT features. 

Still does not support Indic Language (LTR) feature at all. :(


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1 hour ago, fde101 said:

The older ones were much better.Apple made great keyboards for a long time ...

Not really (nicht wirklich)!

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then they got sucked into the whole "thin is the new big" fad and lost touch with the reality of how making some types of products too thin also makes them less practical when you actually USE those products.

They still get a lot of things right, but that is not one of them.

Well they longer time ago (I thin around 2005) Apple bought a little company which had the knowledge and skills for very good touch based devices like keyboards, trackpads etc. With the help and knowledge of those guys they were able to build their touch based devices (iPhone, iPad, Notebook trackpads etc.). Most of their knowledge about touch related input devices stems initially from FingerWorks here.

FingerWorks TouchStream:

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Apples nowadays common thin key keyboards are more or less a compromise here to old style/fashioned keyboards and thus more optical design wise like that. - So good mechanical key keyboards are another theme, for those you have to look elsewhere but not at Apple.

 


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On 4/30/2019 at 6:15 PM, fde101 said:

No, just the latest.  From what I gather they have a few more in mind...  but adding Publisher does create something of a core set of three basic design applications.

 

When Adobe released InDesign it was missing a lot of core functionality that had been present in PageMaker for a long time (http://lowendmac.com/software/i/indesign.html), so this is hardly unprecedented.

Affinity Publisher is not a renamed successor to PagePlus.  It is a completely different program in a completely different product line developed by a different team which just happens to be from the same company that had previously developed PagePlus.

 

You should seriously use a typewriter...   :9_innocent:

 

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Just now, Tadhg said:

Affinity Publisher is not a renamed successor to PagePlus.  It is a completely different program in a completely different product line developed by a different team which just happens to be from the same company that had previously developed PagePlus

Just for the record, Serif did suggest to me, a long time user of all their software, that I should switch to the Affinity Range because they were ending support for their older software. In no way were they suggesting that the Affinity Software was completely different: they offered it as a replacement and upgrade for the older software. Fact. 

It seems to me that critical feedback, no matter how well intentioned, is not acceptable. It's a shoot the messenger response in general that I am getting. There is no need to be defensive. I have repeatedly said how appreciative I am of all the Serif products over the years.  You say that it is a different  team developing the Affinity software. That's probably necessary because of different OS environment etc but maybe they have dropped a few features and lost some of the elegance and intuitiveness designed into the older software. Maybe? 

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7 minutes ago, Tadhg said:

ust for the record, Serif did suggest to me, a long time user of all their software, that I should switch to the Affinity Range because they were ending support for their older software. In no way were they suggesting that the Affinity Software was completely different: they offered it as a replacement and upgrade for the older software. Fact. 

Can you back this up with hard evidence?
Like a written post?
Anywhere?
 


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1 hour ago, Tadhg said:

It seems to me that critical feedback, no matter how well intentioned, is not acceptable.

Sure it is, I've provided some myself.

 

1 hour ago, Tadhg said:

I should switch to the Affinity Range because they were ending support for their older software.

That doesn't mean that the Affinity range is an update to or continuation of the older software.  It is a new product that serves a similar function, thus potentially can be a "replacement", yes - that is not the same thing.  If you don't like the Affinity suite, there are other options - QuarkXPress ($$$), InDesign ($ repeatedly), and various other players with typically smaller offerings.  Those could also be "replacements" for PagePlus if you are willing to pay for them, and unlike Publisher, they have commercial releases right now, not currently in beta.  They won't have all of the features that PagePlus had either, though I would expect them to have some that it did not.

 

1 hour ago, Tadhg said:

maybe they have dropped a few features and lost some of the elegance and intuitiveness designed into the older software

As Affinity Publisher is an entirely new product and has never been released, it's a bit soon for them to be "dropping" features.  They haven't had time to add as many features as PagePlus had, since that had been around much longer than Publisher has so far.  There will be more coming, but developing software of this magnitude doesn't happen overnight.

 

 

1 hour ago, haakoo said:

Can you back this up with hard evidence?

This is probably pushing a bit too far.  Best guess is that this happened over email discussions with someone at Serif who either misrepresented the Affinity products or an update, or more likely worded something in such a way that @Tadhg misinterpreted the meaning to be that.  Suggesting it as a replacement is not the same thing as indicating that it is a direct update to the older software, so that could very well be legitimate and accurate.

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Well if someone says it is a fact, it should be substantiated,don't you think?

 


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Get a grip haakoo. I don't make recordings of my conversations with product reps. fde101, you are more measured in your responses and  you have been critical of some aspects of the products. I accept that. I really don't intend to say any more in this thread because it has degenerated into a verbal duel rather than a genuine discussion about the product/s. So, I'll wait and see how the products develop over the next few months. In the meantime I'll combine the strengths of the old and the new software; the new on mac and the old on pc.  Regards to all at Serif and Serif users like myself. 

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Well, 

Why do people state something when it's not a fact and then walk away from a discussion they initiated?
Usually it means they know they're wrong.

You were not ill treated but just pointed out to what is what.
If you can't tell the difference,...........

Putting it more to your level of understanding:

  1. Affinity products are not an upgrade of serif legacy products.
  2. These are a complete new products which are still in development.
  3. The beta products are not suitable for production and to be used at your own risk.
  4. You were not asked to participate in testing,you joined by yourself.

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39 minutes ago, haakoo said:

Why do people state something when it's not a fact and then walk away from a discussion they initiated?

You seem to be overlooking this important point:

1 hour ago, Tadhg said:

I don't make recordings of my conversations with product reps.

There have been numerous complaints about Serif sales staff describing Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo as replacements, or even upgrades, for DrawPlus and PhotoPlus.


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Even then,one is blaming others for one's own intelligence or better yet, intellect.
I don't ever expect anything to be a complete one on one replacement of a product,service or whatever.
I do research as far as I can to be convinced it is what I need or can make use of.
And as for sales persons,well,...........:71_smiling_imp:


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7 minutes ago, haakoo said:

I don't ever expect anything to be a complete one on one replacement of a product,service or whatever.

Of course not, but if you’re offered an ‘upgrade’ of a software product it’s perfectly reasonable to expect it to be able to open your existing project files and to have all the existing features as well as some new ones, together with fixes for known bugs.


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No it is not,
Not in the virtual or the real world.
Common sense and research will give you the right answers.
Maybe I'm to cautious and don't jump to any opportunity,
but to me that's more reasonable then expecting the world and getting dirt.


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1 hour ago, Alfred said:

There have been numerous complaints about Serif sales staff describing Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo as replacements, or even upgrades, for DrawPlus and PhotoPlus

Thanks, I wasn't aware of this.  Something the team at Serif should probably investigate and take steps to improve on.

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