alectro Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Hi community, I've found an odd behavior (bug or feature?) on my macos Affinity Photo 1.6.7. Sometimes when I duplicate (command+J) a group and I edit the contents of a layer within the duplicated group, for instance it's position or size, the changes are also affecting the original group. Am I missing something or there's a way to prevent this from happening? Thanks! Ale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Lee D Posted April 3, 2019 Staff Share Posted April 3, 2019 When recording a macro certain things are remembered about the document that the macro was created on such as sizes. Is the macro running on a different file altogether? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alectro Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 Hi Lee, thanks for your reply. Probably I didn't explain the issue very clear. The duplicated group belongs to the same .afphoto file and there's no Macro ever recorded for this file involved. So far what I've tried: restart the application move "linked" elements out of the group copy both groups to a new .afphoto file save as a new .afphoto file Following either of the steps the problem persists, the only thing it works is to move one of the duplicated groups to a new file and work in two independent .afphoto files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Posting an example .afphoto file with this issue might help. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 When it happens again check you only have one group selected in the Layers panel, if you have both groups selected then any changes you make, such as positioning or sizing will affect both groups Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alectro Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 hour ago, R C-R said: Posting an example .afphoto file with this issue might help. Sure, here it is. I used artboards so it's easier to see the problem. duplicated-group-problem.afphoto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alectro Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, carl123 said: When it happens again check you only have one group selected in the Layers panel, if you have both groups selected then any changes you make, such as positioning or sizing will affect both groups Thanks, I've checked it before and I am only selecting one layer or group at a time. Attached a screenshot and a video to show the problem. I just noticed that there's an orange marker on the left side of the linked layers: Duplicated groups problem video.mov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Just now, alectro said: Attached a screenshot and a video to show the problem. I just noticed that there's an orange marker on the left side of the linked layers: That's Ok, I did not realise you were using symbols Did you create this document or someone else? Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alectro Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 I created the file and I'm pretty sure I didn't create symbols, at least not intentionally. Those are just text layers Affinity photo doesn't have symbols, right? I'm wondering if something odd happened when I used "Edit on Affinity Designer" option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Mmmm, it's all getting a bit weird now maybe they are not symbols after all I'll let someone else figure out what's going on Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alectro Posted April 6, 2019 Author Share Posted April 6, 2019 Thanks @carl123 for your time and help, I appreciate it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron P. Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 So you created the original document in Aphoto, then edited in Designer? When you took the Photo document into Designer, did you intentionally create artboards or did Designer do that automatically? Quote Affinity Photo 2.4..; Affinity Designer 2.4..; Affinity Publisher 2.4..; Affinity2 Beta versions. Affinity Photo,Designer 1.10.6.1605 Win10 Home Version:21H2, Build: 19044.1766: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 3301 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s);32GB Ram, Nvidia GTX 3070, 3-Internal HDD (1 Crucial MX5000 1TB, 1-Crucial MX5000 500GB, 1-WD 1 TB), 4 External HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alectro Posted April 7, 2019 Author Share Posted April 7, 2019 Hi @Ron P., Correct, I created the file in AP then I edited in AD to add some vector brushes. Originally, when I saw the problem with the duplicated groups I didn't add Artboards I was just working with groups. Artboards were added just to show side by side omn the attached video here. Ron P. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/4/2019 at 8:40 AM, carl123 said: Mmmm, it's all getting a bit weird now maybe they are not symbols after all The "Copyrighting" groups & each of the Artistic text layers are symbols -- that is obvious both from the vertical red lines in the Layers panel & from hovering the pointer over any of those items in the Layers panel, which pops up info about their unlinked attributes. The weird part is even when opened in Designer, the Symbols panel is empty, as if there are no symbols in the document. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alectro Posted April 7, 2019 Author Share Posted April 7, 2019 Thanks @R C-R I didn't know hot to see the unlinked attributes and yes, it's super odd that I did not create any symbol on AD. I believe this has to be a bug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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R C-R Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, >|< said: Despite the orange bars, these objects have "(Group)" instead of "(Symbol)" appended to their name. Yet they also have unlinked attributes just like a 'true' symbol would, & the Artistic text objects behave as if they were linked children in the parent group object, so I am provisionally sticking with the theory that they are symbols & the groups have incorrect labels. 28 minutes ago, >|< said: The Symbols panel will not contain a definition for an instance that has been been copy-pasted from another document. There is (so far) no indication that the OP pasted anything from another document but if so that might explain it. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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R C-R Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, >|< said: Yes, I noticed that respective children of the two Group/Symbol containers were linked, but that does not prove that the containers are Symbols. You are right about that, but I am operating under the theory that if it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alfred Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, >|< said: duplicating the duck Otherwise known as ‘ducklicating’? lepr 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 59 minutes ago, >|< said: In the past, I have had the situation where objects have been linked to each other (and sporting orange bars) despite no longer being inside any Symbol (or Group). How did that occur, can you replicate it or was it a bug? Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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v_kyr Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 1 hour ago, R C-R said: ...the theory that if it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck ...or a hunter. - So maybe sometimes a dangerous theory. Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 27 minutes ago, >|< said: Well, duplicating the duck produces a definite Group; there the duck is a walking quacking Group rather than a Symbol. In the video it is "walking" (behaving as a) symbol but "quacking" (displaying as a) Group in the Layers panel. Since this topic is (I think) about the cause of the odd behavior, I am sticking with the theory that it is because it is a symbol. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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