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The article states…

“As with the first-generation Corolla, the second-generation model featured a whole host of up-to-date technologies that were usually only found on more expensive models. Some of these features included an AM/FM stereo, windscreen washers and air conditioning.”

So the second generation Corolla had air conditioning… that’s coincidental… Let’s hope that Affinity follows Toyota and brings the essentials in 2.0

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On 11/2/2021 at 3:06 PM, aizome said:

Affinity Designer lacks absolutely fundamental features for all users (e.g. 'select' ignores locked layers, the ability to designate non-printing layers when created).

I do agree that an option to lock layers against selection would make logical sense and it is kind of silly that it is missing, but for my own use, I don't miss it.  The ability to create visible layers that do not print would also be VERY nice to have, but for a great many projects, I can easily live without it.

Those features are not essential for me, and I use Affinity Designer, thus the features clearly are NOT essential for all users.

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13 hours ago, Boldlinedesign said:

@R C-R - Glad you are trying out Vectorstyler. If you are willing, would you share your impressions of it with the developer? Either through email or on the Vectorstyler forum. The more ideas and impressions get shared, the better he can improve the user experience.

I may do that after I get more experience with it but that will have to wait. For now, I need to track down the cause(s) of the delays I am seeing in the UI to see if I can reduce or eliminate them, because that is making it difficult to know if I am using it correctly.

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I was going to reply to this post, but I can't seem to find it. Therefore I shall quote it from the mail notification:

 

On 11/7/2021 at 10:01 AM, Patrick Connor said:

Well that's debatable...

No doubt, you are :) what you have initiated shows a know-how and your personal vision of a place to take in this "creative" world.

On 11/7/2021 at 10:01 AM, Patrick Connor said:

we do

As I have said to forum users here before you should buy the software for the features that the program already has and not the ones it doesn't

If you really read all the messages posted, why don't you give feedback here to your customers when they repeatedly report specific issues that are obviously not taken into account in the apps development year after year? I really would have preferred that you answer me "ok, understood but, no need to come back with this problem for such or such reason".

On 11/7/2021 at 10:01 AM, Patrick Connor said:

we will do our best. Affinity is not done yet.

I had read and can understand your arguments to justify the absence of road maps... but do you really think that this decision was rational and that the feeling (e.g., the frustration of some users) has suddenly become much better now? Do you think your communication on this forum is optimal?

Just some sincere questions without any animosity or blame or emotion (no need to dislike this post)... just to get a Serif opinion because I'm wondering myself.

Cheers
Patrick

I agree. Now that suddenly many users seem to be ultimately frustrated and actually migrating to VectorStyler (I already bought it too), Affinity finds itself willing to participate a little in the discussion again -- however still without making any clear statement on the actual topic.

In this megathread, one could have said years ago, "no the feature is not coming any time soon", or "yes the feature is planned for the near future". No such statement for years, and then suddenly but only formally show some presence again when the users are leaving, continues to be not particularly helpful on the merits.

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Patrick Connor: As I have said to forum users here before you should buy the software for the features that the program already has and not the ones it doesn't.

 

I've hesitated reentering this discussion, but I was disappointed in Patrick's reply above.

Indeed, I bought Affinity Designer because it did what I needed - EXTREMELY AND PROFESSIONALLY WELL. 

However, my project and MY Customer requirements change.   Now a large body of work that I am committed to requires such a feature.

I was surprised when a prior incarnation (Serif Draw) and even freeware have this feature that I thought vector graphics software should have.  My bad - I agree.

So, I went to the forum to look for workarounds (which are really bad and don't work for me) and to express to Affinity my (and others' apparently growing desire) to have this feature. 

As others' have put it - for years, not a peep either way from Affinity.  So this means to me as a Customer - that this forum is not to assist Customers nor to gauge Customer's needs.  Thus, I like others, are purchasing alternative software - Its a free market.  And this is a free market pressure for Affinity.

Nuff said.  No need for any more comment... from me.

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5 minutes ago, dr_who said:

Can anyone summarize the features VectorStyler has that AD lacks?

As far as this thread is concerned, you can use and create vector patterns with Vectorstyler. I have started playing with it and it seems pretty powerful. Far more than with Inkscape and of course than with AD which only allows you to use raster patterns.

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33 minutes ago, dr_who said:

Can anyone summarize the features VectorStyler has that AD lacks?

See for example:

Basically, almost any conceivable vector operation can be done in the app. The hardest part for many of them is finding the correct tool or panel that does it.

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2 minutes ago, R C-R said:

See for example:

Basically, almost any conceivable vector operation can be done in the app. The hardest part for many of them is finding the correct tool or panel that does it.

Thanks. I’m considering pulling the trigger on this one while it’s still on sale. Don’t know how it’s managed to fly under my radar up until now.

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Just now, dr_who said:

Thanks. I’m considering pulling the trigger on this one while it’s still on sale.

That is what I did. I have to say that the VS app has not been working as well as I had hoped -- I keep getting lags & the occasional crash -- so I am not sure I would find it worth buying at the full retail price but at the sale price it is pretty much a no brainer.

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One feature of VS that I like because it outdoes the basic vector fill I needed is that you can vector fill an object/shape, then set the fill to distort with distortions of the object.  'Kinda like printing on rubber, then moving the rubber about.  Perfect for part of what I've been looking for.

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4 hours ago, Boldlinedesign said:

That is not the usual or typical user experience of VS - I would bring it up to the developer of VS

I have sent a crash report. The lags apparently are not too unusual for certain operations, typically some of the ones involving modal panels, but a lot of that could just be me not being familiar with setting up the app for optimal performance.

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It is interesting how this topic has become a focal point for VectorStyler. I wonder if the Affinity team is actually seeing the depth that is happening here.

Now if we could find a way for publisher, designer et.al to develop structures in PDF via CSS & HTML & IML (also good for epubs) so that the software can meet the accessibility requirements of many countries, and people. 

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3 minutes ago, typeglyph said:

I wonder if the Affinity team is actually seeing the depth that is happening here.

By "depth" do you mean the VectorStyler-centered publicty? I'm sure they've noticed ir.

I installed the Beta and I couldn't work with it, so I uninstalled it. The same way I did with Gavit Designer, by the way.

Best regards!

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50 minutes ago, Mithferion said:

I installed the Beta and I couldn't work with it, so I uninstalled it. The same way I did with Gavit Designer, by the way.

I bought Vector Styler using the discount coupon offer but so far I find its UI very difficult to use, mostly because it seems like the author wanted to include access to everything possible in multiple places in its nested menus & windows.

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1 hour ago, R C-R said:

I bought Vector Styler using the discount coupon offer but so far I find its UI very difficult to use, mostly because it seems like the author wanted to include access to everything possible in multiple places in its nested menus & windows.

I found other problems (for me) when using the Tools themselves. Hope they improve it over time.

Best regards!

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16 hours ago, R C-R said:

so far I find its UI very difficult to use, mostly because it seems like the author wanted to include access to everything possible in multiple places in its nested menus & windows.

Agreed - I paid full whack for VS as soon as it was released, mainly for vector distortions which I use a lot, but I've found (real) vector brushes, vector fills, type on a path distortions, simplify path have all enabled me to complete publisher jobs -  I usually copy paste in and out of VS as quick as possible and back into the comfort of Publisher to refine and finish off - it just takes a bit of time and patience to figure out the VS way of doing things, it's not nice and not Affinity but I'd recommend digging in now you've purchased, as we could all be waiting years for these features to appear in Affinity, what other options are there? Inkscape is horrible, slow, no external clipboard (at least on mac) and no CMYK, whereas VS is less horrible and quick - all the other options either don't have Affinity's missing basics or are subscription (Nah!)

15 hours ago, Mithferion said:

I found other problems (for me) when using the Tools themselves.

Agreed - not nice, but put in a bit of time and you could have additional possibilities a copy and paste away - TODAY!

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4 hours ago, Dazmondo77 said:

-  I usually copy paste in and out of VS as quick as possible and back into the comfort of Publisher to refine and finish off - it just takes a bit of time and patience to figure out the VS way of doing things, it's not nice and not Affinity but I'd recommend digging in now you've purchased, as we could all be waiting years for these features to appear in Affinity, what other options are there?

What I would like is if it was easy to find whatever it is I need to do in VS so the copy into & then back out of it was quick & easy, but as it is now, there is just too much to sort through to make that something I want to take on. It is sort of like having a giant toolbox with thousands of tools in it, all jumbled together with no simple way to find the right one for the job at hand.

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The things Affinity does, it does very well; the big issue is that there's not enough "things" in the program and the inordinate amount of time it's taken Serif to add them. Affinity is one of the best alternative options to Adobe or CorelDRAW out there. Affinity is focused on building up three programs simultaneously with it's revolutionary studio link and universal file format. This is exciting news and for those who primarily use raster and vector together in their work, this is a winning formula. The potential downside to this approach is that the attention and energy is spread across three programs and not niche down to making one great. For years I always thought of Designer as the inevitable "Illustrator killer" and I think for some people, it is now, or eventually will be. This is because not everyone needs all the options available in Illustrator/Corel and a streamlined efficient program like Designer will suffice.

For vector power users and those who may need more than the basics offered in Affinity, the alternative options are sparse. Stick with Adobe and pay through the nose or cling to CS6 until technology's advance makes that impossible, or make do with Inkscape or CorelDraw or use another program that has the missing features. Patrick from Serif made an telling point a few weeks back, (paraphrasing) that we should choose to invest in Affinity for what is is now, not what we hope it will one day become. We all expect Affinity to continue to mature and develop over time, but we should not purchase today based primarily on the future expectations we want to project onto it.
This is why I don't think Serif would mind that we discuss alternative programs and workarounds that provide solutions to missing features in Affinity now. Every forum discusses the pros and cons of the supported programs. It's human nature to look for solutions even if they fall outside the normal channels.
As @Dazmondo77 has shared, investing in another program that accomplishes the tasks currently missing from Affinity makes it worth the purchase. I have used alternative programs for specified tasks long before Affinity, when I was primarily using Illustrator. Vectormagic for vector trace, Vectoraster for vector halftones, etc. In fact, for a long while, Affinity was an alternative tool I used to gain certain results that my version of Illustrator could not produce! Even today, if I get an AI file that will not open in my old Illustrator copy, I can usually rely on Designer to open it without issue!
I agree that Vectorstyler is not as polished a UI as Affinity and that it can be confusing to use where Affinity is more streamlined. There are also some features in VS that appear to be similar to one another but organized as separate features. There are a LOT of options and tools and it can be confusing for sure. I admit that I was turned off by this approach when I first started learning VS. The more I used it however, the more it became comfortable it became. I started by doing what basics I could in VS and then when I got stuck or confused, I'd push as far as I could before copying and paste the work into Affinity or Illustrator and complete it there. (I had done the same thing when I was first learning Designer - moving things over to Illustrator to complete)
In VS, I focused on getting familiar with the toolbar functions that were universal to any vector based program and then expanded out from there. Going through the panels menu was what helped me next after that. I also try to keep in mind learning a new program is always challenging and a struggle because we are so used to what we already know. I spent too much time trying to request and hope that Affinity would do things just like Illustrator because I was so used to Illustrator already. It wasn't until I let go of expectations and embraced the idea that Affinity's way was different, and that was not necessarily "bad", I do the same with VS and other apps as well.

 

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