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Designer Work Book on Page 316, 

Step 1.  I clicked Add icon from the Toolbar.  Now, I do not understand about the Expand Stroke.

Here says in the book "... Then, from the Layer Menu, select Expand Stroke.  You'll see that in our Layers Panel we now have a sperate lower fill layer and the stroke is now one, single complete vector shape."

I have two separate layers now.  This book has three layers.  What is going on?  This quote does not help me to understand it.  (See the 2nd picture below.)

 

 

Step Number 2 (in the book), I clicked the Forward One icon and also Subtract icon to change the color from gray to white for the square in the center of the logo (See the 2nd picture below).  It does not change the color or the layer.  What did I miss?

 

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13 hours ago, webworld said:

This book has three layersWhat is going on?

Yes, it is show in first image, right part:

- one (bottom) layer is fill rectangle (see point 2. Select the square... ),

- middle layer is added circles group,

- and top layer is expanded stroke from this circles group.

 

7 hours ago, webworld said:

I think that the author did not proofread this tutorial.

I think, that you must read this tutorials more carefully.

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(1)  Why do I have two layers since I created the document?  This book showed three layers.

(2)  For #2 (in the book) - Please see the pictures here below...   The picture for Step 3.png - it is not correct so I know that this is wrong but I do not get it.

(3)  It showed me how to use the Rotation Centre on YouTube which is at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXq4hqFxPAg .

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Exactly according to the instructions.

1, draw square:

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2, draw six circle:

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3, select all circle, and Add:

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4, Layer menu, Expand stroke:

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I have "three" layers!

5, select Rectangle layer, Forward one, select with bottom layer, Subtract:

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6, shift position, Expand stroke:

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7, Substract, Add, Final:

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8 hours ago, webworld said:

(1)  Why do I have two layers since I created the document? 

 

Just a question,, you talk about "Layers" but from your screen shots I don't see any Layers at all. I only see objects but no layers. Are you asking about Layers or are you asking about individual objects?

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6 minutes ago, Hokusai said:

Just a question,, you talk about "Layers" but from your screen shots I don't see any Layers at all. I only see objects but no layers. Are you asking about Layers or are you asking about individual objects?

I have two layers on the right side of the column. See the orange words in the picture.  (Layer 1 + Layer 2 =  2 layers).   In the book, a chart shows that it has three layers.  That one I cannot figure out.  I am using my Mac computer.  Pšenda showed the picture that has three layers. (See Psenda's post)  I do not know if Expand Stroke is supposed to create a 3rd layer automatically.  See the red arrow.  I am guessing that there is a button somewhere in the Stroke that I would have created the 3rd layer - maybe I'm wrong.  (By the way, the objects, that you saw, are the symbol icons.)

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The workbook is written: "Then, from the Layer Menu select Expand Stroke."

Menu is "Menu", so Layer Menu is this,
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and Expand Stroke is this.
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This is Layer "Panel" or "Studio", not "Menu".

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What it is the "Menu" or the "Studio", is listed in the Workbook on page 15, about "Expand Stroke" operation on page 295 point 3.

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7 hours ago, webworld said:

I have two layers on the right side of the column. See the orange words in the picture.  (Layer 1 + Layer 2 =  2 layers)

webworld,

As a side note (which will help you with terminology) you don't have 2 Layers. You have 2 Objects which are labeled "Curve" and "Rectangle". I don't blame you for being confused as it is a little confusing but in Designer you can use "Layers" if you want to but you don't have to (to create a New Layer you click the left little Page looking button on the bottom left of the Layers palette). If you don't make a Layer then all of the Objects that you create will all be contained in one list (which is what you have). You have Zero Layers because you didn't create one. Of course you don't need to but if you get to the point where you are making files with lots of Objects then it makes sense to organize them and but the different Objects into different Layers according to your needs

When you use the Boolean Operations (Union, Subtract, etc.) it combines the elements into one object. So if you have 6 circles, you'll see 6 Objects in the Layers menu marked Ellipse but if you use the "Union" operation on those 6 circles then Designer combines them into 1 Object marked Curves. I'm sorry I don't have the Designer workbook but I'm guessing that your problem comes from either subtracting something or combining them using the "union" operation. I hope that helps.

Best of luck,

Hokusai

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Well those are all layers shown in the layers panel per terminology ...

(DE) Die Ebenentypen

Für die Arbeit an Ihrem Design können Sie verschiedene Typen von Ebenen erstellen:

  • Pixelebenen: Auf diesen Ebenen arbeiten Sie mit Pixelwerkzeugen.
  • Maskierungsebenen: Mit diesen Spezialebenen legen Sie fest, welche Inhalte der darunter liegenden Ebenen sichtbar sind.
  • Anpassungsebenen: Mit diesen Spezialebenen können Sie die darunter liegenden Ebenen korrigieren oder kreativ verfremden.
  • Objektebenen (Kurven, Formen, Texte, Bilder): Jedes Vektor- oder Textobjekt wird auf einer eigenen Ebene erstellt.

The last bold one translated:

  • Object layers (curves, shapes, text, images): Each vector or text object is created on its own layer.

The interesting part of the AD help system here is, it's different for the German & US vs UK English help system text, the English UK one reads instead ...

(UK) Types of layer

There are several types of layers that can be created:

  • Vector layer—used for placing vector object into.
  • Pixel layer—used for pixel based editing.
  • Mask layer—special layer that allows you to define what content is hidden to reveal layers beneath.
  • Adjustment layer—special layers that can be used to correct or enhance the layers beneath.

Now the US one instead:

(US) Types of layer

There are several types of layers that can be created:

  • Pixel layer—used for pixel based editing and tools.
  • Mask layer—special layer that allows you to define what content is hidden to reveal layers beneath.
  • Adjustment layers—special layers that can be used to correct or enhance the layers beneath.
  • Object (curve, shape, text, image) layer—each vector or text object is created on its own layer.

Seems somebody mismatched those help file translations.

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2 hours ago, Hokusai said:

but I'm guessing that your problem comes from either subtracting something or combining them using the "union" operation

No. As I described in my post, the webworld did not understand, what the "Layer Menu" and "Expand Stroke" means.

webworld: "I do not know if Expand Stroke is supposed to create a 3rd layer automatically.  See the red arrow.  I am guessing that there is a button somewhere in the Stroke that I would have created the 3rd layer".

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3 hours ago, Hokusai said:

If you don't make a Layer

I personally think, that the use term of "Layer" and "Layers" is not entirely correct and consistent, see your second picture.
"Layer" is and should always be only one/single layer. As for the grouping of many objects and many layers, like Groups, it should always be "Layers".

Here, I suppose, should be Layers, because is created a group/stack for several objects.

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https://affinity.help/designer/English.lproj/pages/Layers/createLayers.html

 

P.S. Actually, I do not really understand, why the Layer/Layers are there, why it is not enough the standard and logically cleaner Groups.

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1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

P.S. Actually, I do not really understand, why the Layer/Layers are there, why it is not enough the standard and logically cleaner Groups.

Do you mean why they are there in that workbook exercise? Or why do they exist at all in Affinity?

If the latter, perhaps because operating on ungrouped objects within a parent layer is significantly different than operating on a group. So, for organizational purposes the parent layer concept is useful, but in different ways than the grouping concept.

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8 hours ago, Pšenda said:

The workbook is written: "Then, from the Layer Menu select Expand Stroke."

Menu is "Menu", so Layer Menu is this,
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and Expand Stroke is this.
2019-03-04_083442.thumb.png.346fa6a92e0fd4f7610c1118827997f1.png

 

This is Layer "Panel" or "Studio", not "Menu".

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What it is the "Menu" or the "Studio", is listed in the Workbook on page 15, about "Expand Stroke" operation on page 295 point 3.

Oh that is what I am looking for the Expand Stroke in the Menu Layer - not in the Stroke Panel.  Bummer!    Actually, I looked at my Studio (View Menu) and I do not see the "Expand Stroke" but just Stroke on the list.  That is very different now.  ...Why Expand Stroke is not in the Studio list?

 

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You may want to look into the online help from time to time, it tells where to find certain things ...

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Select toolNode toolTo expand a stroke:
  1. Select the shape with either the Move Tool or the Node Tool.
  2. Click Expand Stroke on the Layer menu.

The shape's stroke is now detached from the object and made into curves. Like Convert to Curves, the resulting curves can then be manipulated with the Node Tool.

 

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1 hour ago, webworld said:

Why Expand Stroke is not in the Studio list?

The Studio ‘list’ is a submenu of the View menu, with check marks showing which Studio panels are set to be visible: one of those panels is the Layers panel. ‘Expand Stroke’ is a command, not a panel name, so it doesn’t belong on the View menu or the Studio submenu.

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6 hours ago, Pšenda said:

I personally think, that the use term of "Layer" and "Layers" is not entirely correct and consistent, see your second picture.
"Layer" is and should always be only one/single layer. As for the grouping of many objects and many layers, like Groups, it should always be "Layers".

I'm not sure what you mean? My use of the term Layer was correct and completely consistent. The original poster was talking about the number of layers being different. There is nothing odd about 1 Layer, 2 Layers, 3 Layers etc as the word layer is a countable noun. All of the things in his and your examples were objects and I didn't see a single Layer being used. 

In my example I was just showing the difference between having only Objects and having Objects contained in a Layer. I just wanted to point out to webworld that there is a difference between "layers" and "objects" because webworld was using the terms incorrectly and it could cause confusion. Maybe it is a language difference? What is confusing is you can create objects without using a Layer but they are viewed under the Layers Palette. 

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I had to start over to see what was my problem.  Finally, I solved it with my way instead of the book.  I wasted a lot of my time.  The writer does not a good job because of the confusion, especially for the beginners (and me).  Here is attached PDF in case if you have a problem with the Lace Frame page (314 to 317).

 

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On 3/3/2019 at 5:28 PM, Pšenda said:

Exactly according to the instructions.

1, draw square:

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2, draw six circle:

2019-03-03_230019.png.229e6ba74485de601591985045eecf19.png

3, select all circle, and Add:

2019-03-03_230134.png.a4a8620837ce3c689823df64e8c35947.png

4, Layer menu, Expand stroke:

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I have "three" layers!

5, select Rectangle layer, Forward one, select with bottom layer, Subtract:

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6, shift position, Expand stroke:

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7, Substract, Add, Final:

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I had a problem with number two because I discovered that the "Show Rotation Center" was activated.  I clicked to turn off the rotation center button.  Finally, I able to use power duplicating.  It was not in the book.  A tiny problem was into a big problem that wasted my time (30 minutes).  Another problem,  the writer's explanation in the book was no good.  I went thru his instruction in the book and your instruction that helped me.  Actually, yours and other posters (or commentators) are better than him.

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Sorry, but I can not agree with you. In my opinion, everything is described in the book quite clearly.

"Show Rotation Centre", page 315, point 5, with figure (down).

"Power duplicate", page 315, point 6, with figure (up).

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2 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Sorry, but I can not agree with you. In my opinion, everything is described in the book quite clearly.

"Show Rotation Centre", page 315, point 5, with figure (down).

"Power duplicate", page 315, point 6, with figure (up).

Okay.  Thank you.

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From the newbiest of newbies. I have two curves, developed separately, that I want to join. I control clicked the segments to eliminate the  adjoining strokes. The ADD boolian does not work. I have tried dragging one of the nodes to its corresponding node above or below it; that does not work. Both upper and lower curves are on the same layer. What is the proper way to join them? Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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2 minutes ago, Pentoolist said:

From the newbiest of newbies. I have two curves, developed separately, that I want to join. I control clicked the segments to eliminate the  adjoining strokes. The ADD boolian does not work. I have tried dragging one of the nodes to its corresponding node above or below it; that does not work. Both upper and lower curves are on the same layer. What is the proper way to join them? Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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10 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums.

Is this something from the Workbook, and related to this topic? If not, you should post your own topic in Affinity on Desktop Questions (Mac and Windows).

Thanks for the reply, Walt. I think I searched for joining shapes, or something similar. I was able to glean some info from some of the posts, so I thought I was in the right neighborhood. I will post my own topic.

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