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1 hour ago, James Galpin said:

but it was a risky feature, particularly in conjunction with populated master pages.

Considering that files are meant to be bidirectionally compatible between Designer and Publisher, even if the Symbols panel is removed from Publisher, any "risky" nature of this will still need to be addressed for the situation where files are transported between the two applications.

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Oh dear. Came looking for how to apply new styles from Master Pages without replacing content on Pages. It looks like the Symbols Panel is gone completely. It shows up in Designer Persona, but not in Publisher Persona. Can anyone confirm?

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2 hours ago, lukejanicke said:

Oh dear. Came looking for how to apply new styles from Master Pages without replacing content on Pages. It looks like the Symbols Panel is gone completely. It shows up in Designer Persona, but not in Publisher Persona. Can anyone confirm?

Symbols are not part of the Publisher Persona, and never have been. They are only a feature of Designer and Publisher's Designer Persona.


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1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

Symbols are not part of the Publisher Persona, and never have been. 

 Yes they were, back in the betas.  


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23 minutes ago, jmwellborn said:

 Yes they were, back in the betas.  

That doesn't count :)

The only official functions are those delivered with the first purchasable release; everything before that was experimentation.


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14 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

That doesn't count :)

The only official functions are those delivered with the first purchasable release; everything before that was experimentation.

Which begs the question: why did Serif abandon that particular experiment?


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Just now, Alfred said:

Which begs the question: why did Serif abandon that particular experiment?

My initial guess was that it interacted poorly with Master Pages, which are implemented using the Symbol mechanisms.

However, that can't be completely correct given that the Designer Persona in Publisher still has them available. And given that Publisher can Open Designer files that use Symbols.


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The help files are pretty clear now. Master Pages are meant for design elements that are common across pages, and not for designing template-like placeholders for controlling styles across different Pages’ content. They’re not like Master Slides in PowerPoint. I don’t have any experience with Adobe ID or other publishing applications (unless you count Word), but it definitely seems like the original intention was there.

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4 hours ago, lukejanicke said:

Master Pages are meant for design elements that are common across pages, and not for designing template-like placeholders for controlling styles across different Pages’ content.

A Master Page can hold a Text Frame, and the Text Frame can specify some style information (font, size, character and/or paragraph styles) for the text you will insert into it on the actual document pages. It also can hold picture frames, with styling applied to those frames, ready for use on the document pages.

So in that sense, yes a Master Page helps provide a template for the document pages and specifies styles.


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Yes. But for now it only works that way as an initialiser. You can’t change those style decisions and re-apply them across the document. Re-applying Master Pages to child Pages will reset the style AND content of text frames that are defined on the Master Page. I only lost 20 minutes of work before I discovered this the hard way, and I won’t make that mistake again.

Patrick, that’s great to hear. In the meantime, I think I can work with Master Pages and Text Styles to get the end product I want.

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