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Hi,

images are loosing the details I did in "Detail Refinement" when I click on Develop and it converts the picture to Photo Persona. The picture looks sharp before converting and blurry afterwards in Photo Persona. I tried it in version 1.6.5.135 and in beta 1.7.0.243, both with the same result. I did some search here in the forum about this, but couldn't find anything, so I'm wondering, if somebody else noticed that too.

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Yes, doesn't apply as much as is applied in the Develop Persona.


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While in the Develop persona, the sharpening is a live filter. The live filter operates on a version of the image that has been pre-scaled for display according to the zoom level, instead of being applied to the full scale image and then the result scaled for display. That results in the appearance of the live filter being exaggerated when the view is zoomed out.

When exiting Develop persona, the sharpening filter is destructively applied to the full scale image.

To accurately preview the live filter in Develop persona, set the zoom to 100% and you'll find that the result in Photo persona matches the preview in Develop persona.

 

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Thanks for clarification. Btw, is there an advantage to sharpen in Develop Persona instead of Photo Persona?


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On 2/25/2019 at 12:02 AM, owlp said:

is there an advantage to sharpen in Develop Persona instead of Photo Persona?

The Develop persona's Detail Refinement appears to be a high pass filter with an additional "amount" control to adjust the contrast of the high pass output which is then blended (Linear Light mode) with the base image. You can non-destructively do that with a live high pass filter and contrast adjustment in the Photo persona at any stage of your post-processing workflow. The only advantage I see of doing that sharpening in Develop persona is the simplicity of the UI compared to working with a Linear Light blended group containing a high pass filter and a contrast adjustment.

Here is a comparison using a photo that is suffering from extreme diffraction blur due to an f/22 aperture. The first image results from Develop persona's Detail Refinement. The second image uses no Detail Refinement in Develop persona and instead is sharpened in Photo persona. They are almost identical.

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Then I won't worry about sharpening in Develop Persona anymore, thanks again!


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I have noticed the same thing.

I am wondering why? - ie why was the change made in this release? I really enjoyed the sharpening.

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39 minutes ago, juliep said:

I have noticed the same thing.

I am wondering why? - ie why was the change made in this release? I really enjoyed the sharpening.

What change?

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The fact that, as people have said above, that when you sharpen using the detailed refinement in the Develop persona, when you then develop the image & get transported to the Photo persona, the image doesn't look as refined.

Julie. :-)

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41 minutes ago, juliep said:

The fact that, as people have said above, that when you sharpen using the detailed refinement in the Develop persona, when you then develop the image & get transported to the Photo persona, the image doesn't look as refined.

Julie. :-)

owlp showed that discrepancy happening in an AP 1.7 beta on Windows.

Does that not happen in AP 1.6 on Windows?

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On 2/23/2019 at 3:22 PM, owlp said:

...I tried it in version 1.6.5.135 and in beta 1.7.0.243, both with the same result....

 


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14 minutes ago, owlp said:

...I tried it in version 1.6.5.135 and in beta 1.7.0.243, both with the same result....

Yes, I don't know why juliep thinks there has been a change.

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Sorry for taking so long to reply.

For me, when sharpening in the develop persona, then developing, the sharpness stays in tact when thrust into the photo persona.

In the Beta versions 1.7.x this is not the case. The sharpened image becomes less sharp when developed.

I see a marked difference.

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