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Strange behaviour pefunk. For me every setting below 100% gives wrong colors in Viveza.

Regards, dke

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On 5/24/2019 at 7:09 PM, migla9 said:

I also tried my Viveza (original pre-Google NIK version) and also see the desaturated colors.  I'm not sure why this is considered a profile problem.  As suggested elsewhere, if you zoom in the image in Viveza to at least 33%, the colors appear correct.  If the profile were wrong, would it do that?  It strikes me as a memory problem or something similar.

Since I still see this problem in RC2, I assume it won't be fixed in this release.  As I said, this does not appear to be a profile issue since zooming in to at least 33% fixes it.

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24 minutes ago, migla9 said:

Since I still see this problem in RC2, I assume it won't be fixed in this release.  As I said, this does not appear to be a profile issue since zooming in to at least 33% fixes it.

Please have some trust. Affinity reached out a support question to DxO.
It works within Adobe Photoshop, lightroom, Adobe elements and by image export from Nikon capture NX-D.
Also, once a Tiff is exported from Affinity and loaded into vivenza it works w/o issues. 

I've good trust Affinity will solve it if DxO is willing to support. Both can benefit from it.
There are more (general) Photoshop plug-in that suddenly might start working if this issue is solved.
If the plug-ins really start working, Adobe might get an issue, because this currently holds a lot of Adobe users to Adobe.

Second part is the color card checker support. But this is another topic on the wish list.
"x rite colorchecker"  (lightroom plugin)

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I do trust that they're working on it with DxO.  I only meant that RC2 is late in the development cycle for a solution to appear in this release.  Even if they work out the fix, it needs to be carefully integrated and tested so as not to break any other plugins.  That's a change that developers are reluctant to change in a release candidate.

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20 hours ago, migla9 said:

Since I still see this problem in RC2, I assume it won't be fixed in this release.  As I said, this does not appear to be a profile issue since zooming in to at least 33% fixes it.

Sorry, but a zoom factor of 33% or more does not solve the problem.
On this screencopy, the zoom at 50% remains the same as what I showed above and the zoom to 100% gives what you see there! I do not think it's good ...
I also trust that Affinity will find the solution.

 

pb af viveza b367 rc2.jpg

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6 minutes ago, Mark Ingram said:

Hi all, just to let you know, I'm now in contact with DxO. Hopefully between us we can sort some of these issues out.

Hi Mark,

good news ! Many thanks !

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34 minutes ago, Mark Ingram said:

Hi all, just to let you know, I'm now in contact with DxO. Hopefully between us we can sort some of these issues out.

Good news. The more because they created an update.

I'm doubting if I should update. 

For the moment they included some Basic dxo tool in the package. 

As long Vivenza is not working within Affinity, this additional tool might be very attractive, and puts user / new customer decisions for Affinity at risk. Would be a pitty, because Affinity is a great tool. 

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Just now, Mark Ingram said:

There's more to Affinity Photo than plugins :-)

Mark,
That I only can confirm.  

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17 hours ago, Mark Ingram said:

There's more to Affinity Photo than plugins :-)

I would like to confirm that too :) but with several tools that need improvement, it is currently difficult to take maximum advantage of APh, which still can be used as a platform for other well-optimized plugins.

FWIW I have not used APh for raw processing, denoising for a while, and with the hdr merging problem, I’ll certainly go back to Efex Pro 2 by DxO for such editing just like before. I still do use some APh amazing live filters (i.e., unsharp mask) and for blending modes… but since we do not know whether you(Serif) is planning to come back on those and re-write the code of such (basic, e.g. selection) functionalities, it is difficult to predict APh full usability.

Patrick


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On 6/13/2019 at 8:36 PM, Mark Ingram said:

There's more to Affinity Photo than plugins :-)

Indeed, but I reilly would like to continue working with Viveza 2 from AP as I did from CS5. Local adjustments with control points and counter-control points  are much easier achieved than with layers and masks. So I hope the colour issue will soon be solved not only for the nik collection sold by DxO, but also for the Google version. I like AP a lot and would be glad to be able to abandon CS5 completely.

Best

Thomas

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All my Nik modules, incl Viveza, work fine now in 1.7.2.414 beta on my windows 10 computer.

Thank you for fixing this. Hopefully it didn't take too much persuasive powers to convince DxO 

 

p.s. I can live without NIK, but since I have it, it is nice it works and despite all the power packed into AP, it does come in handy from time to time.

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1 hour ago, rudyumans said:

All my Nik modules, incl Viveza, work fine now in 1.7.2.414 beta on my windows 10 computer.

Hi,

Unfortunately! There is no change.
In the Nik suite, only Color Efex 4 and Analog Efex 2 work well.

I presume you only work in sRGB ...

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37 minutes ago, laurentia said:

Hi,

Unfortunately! There is no change.
In the Nik suite, only Color Efex 4 and Analog Efex 2 work well.

I presume you only work in sRGB ...

Ok Did some more testing and found out that they only work in JPEG regardless of the color profile. Tiff files are still the same as before.

so, the color profile doesn't seem to be the problem, but the file type is

and that is only in Viveza. I tried and as far as I can tell, no problems in any of the other modules

 

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I tested with afphoto and tiff files.
Jpeg is 8bits, I did not have time to test other bit depths. I have to do it ...
I now remember having tested a few years ago Paintshop Photo X6 which presented different renderings of the same image in 8 and 16 bits!

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didn't test in in the different bit depths, but you have a point. my tiffs are 16bit . I will try later.

PSP X6 wasn't optimized for 16bit.  Particle shop (one of my favorite of Corel's plug-ins)   still isn't

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I don't see that problem in DFine and Sharpener Pro (output)

I don't need those very often, but if I do, I prefer Topaz for those functions anyway

RAW conversion is still done in Photolab 2 Elite and Photolab is hard to beat for noise and sharpening. No matter how much I love Affinity (and I do a lot),  Photolab and Capture one are still the best for RAW conversion in my opinion. Their output quality is still unequaled (and output quality is all that matters for me)

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On 7/2/2019 at 4:57 PM, laurentia said:

In addition, DFine and Sharpener Pro have the same problem, not only Viveza.

It seems to be only a display problem in Sharpener Pro (and Define I assume). When the job is done in Sharpener and you go back in AP colors are fine.

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