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16 minutes ago, JET_Affinity said:

You obviously have no idea how long it took Illustrator to acquire its meager Select Same... commands—and many other things people here call "must have deal breakers." ;-)

JET

It was from version 5.1 (1996) and 7 (1997, Windows - there was no version 6 for Win) and in version 6+ (1996, Mac) - so it was more or less 1 year (but in offline days, where you bought new version of spinning discs, thus the distribution was different and there was nothing like agile releasing like nodays). Every feature was thoroughly tested before relese.

You're also forgetting that this feature is nothing heavyweight, it's about taking document tree and parsing it through few regular expressions, fetching the result to selection.

A one day job tops (few hours actually). In case document object model is done right.

There might be an issue with the sequential file structure of affinity documents but when you load the document to RAM, the whole document tree must be available anyway, so this last line is more of just rhetorics.

Edit: I believe it's more an issue with feature requests. I beleive that Serif is afraid of adding user requested features because other people would start pushing for their other requested features to be added, pointing out to this one as an example that "it can be done"...

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4 minutes ago, JET_Affinity said:

You obviously have no idea how long it took Illustrator to acquire its meager Select Same... commands—and many other things people here call "must have deal breakers." ;-)

JET

As you rightly pointed out when I tried to deploy a similar argument in relation to a feature which took a long time to be added to DrawPlus, the length of time for a feature to be added to Adobe Illustrator shouldn’t be used as justification for the time taken to add a comparable feature to competing applications. :)


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6 minutes ago, JET_Affinity said:

There are plenty of programs I have no use for. So I don't use them. And I don't waste my own time repeatedly asking their makers "WHEN is such-and-such going to occur?!" 

JET

Good for you :6_smile:
Luckily, not everyone is the same as you.

Some other people would like Affinity suite to be superior and a real competititon to the Adobe package. And to be able to work for them, when it currently doesn't.

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9 minutes ago, JET_Affinity said:

There are plenty of programs I have no use for. So I don't use them. And I don't waste my own time repeatedly asking their makers "WHEN is such-and-such going to occur?!"

JET

So instead you waste your time butting in on conversations that are of no interest to you. I know which I think has more value :4_joy:

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2 minutes ago, CLC said:

Good for you :6_smile:
Luckily, not everyone is the same as you.

Some other people would like Affinity suite to be superior and a real competititon to the Adobe package.

Then "some other people" are lucky enough to be like me.

What do you people expect to get from demands like this?:

User: "WHEN IS [my pet feature] GOING TO BE PROVIDED?"

Serif: "December 25th, 9:15 AM."

?

JET

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Just now, JET_Affinity said:

Then "some other people" are lucky enough to be like me. 

What do you people expect to get from demands like this?: 

User: "WHEN IS [my pet feature] GOING TO BE PROVIDED?"

Serif: "December 25th, 9:15 AM."

?

JET

I don't demand anything. I conversate. I joined a request thread, adding my points and am waiting for anyone relevant to tell me, in pure binary:

1 - feature will be added
or
0 - feature won't be added

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Just now, JET_Affinity said:

Then "some other people" are lucky enough to be like me.

What do you people expect to get from demands like this?:

User: "WHEN IS [my pet feature] GOING TO BE PROVIDED?"

Serif: "December 25th, 9:15 AM."

?

JET

It's called applying pressure. The a major point of these forums is to communicate what is needed and why. That's what we're doing.

It's pretty dumb to equate 'when is feature X coming' to a specific time and date. I'd be very happy with a 'it is due to be included in version 1.8' for example. Or less happily '2.0'

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4 minutes ago, robinp said:

So instead you waste your time butting in on conversations that are of no interest to you.

Butting in? This is a public forum.

I'm here because I do not find Affinity "useless" just because it doesn't yet have every feature it eventually will. Your questions have been answered. Serif is not going to tell you "when." I wouldn't expect them to.

JET

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1 minute ago, JET_Affinity said:

Butting in? This is a public forum.

I'm here because I do not find Affinity "useless" just because it doesn't yet have every feature it eventually will. Your questions have been answered. Serif is not going to tell you "when." I wouldn't expect them to.

JET

Quite patently my questions have not been answered.

Butting in and being a public forum are not mutually exclusive. Of course it is a public forum, but turning up and telling people they are wasting their time is not really contributing to the discussion. It is also hypocritical.

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It's called applying pressure.

10 minutes ago, robinp said:

It's called applying pressure.

It's called the silly belief that if you merely scream the loudest and most repetitively ask "When? When? When?" and make ridiculous claims that the program is absolutely useless without your pet feature, then you will somehow win out over every other person who employs the very same tactic about their pet feature.

JET

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Just now, JET_Affinity said:

It's called applying pressure.

It's called the silly belief that if you merely scream the loudest and most repetitively ask "When? When? When?" and make ridiculous claims that the program is absolutely without your pet feature, then you will somehow win out over every other person who employs the very same tactic about their pet feature.

JET

That's a really asinine take on it.

The only time I have felt like screaming is when reading your replies.

What are the 'ridiculous claims' made? This is sounding suspiciously like you think you somehow know more about me and my work than I do.

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2 hours ago, robinp said:

Hi @MEB

Sure, so when is this feature coming? The constant prevarication is what's creating the frustration. 

Hi robinp,
Serif don't give etas for any specific feature (as explained several times elsewhere). There's no "prevarication" as there's no commitment with any dates (precisely to avoid even more frustration if they aren't met) among other reasons. I'm sorry if this is not enough for you but it's all I can provide.

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Does Serif like money? Do they want market share? I would have thought a good way of going about this is to take the top X requested features and implement those if at all possible (or give a good reason why they cannot). So they got a one time payment from me (great), but it's difficult for me to use 1.x or upgrade/purchase 2.x without this feature. Reading through this thread, I'm sure a lot of other people are in the same boat, but perhaps not.

I think a lot of the frustration comes from the fact that as users, we instinctively know we can click on an object to select it. We can ctrl-click, or shift-click to select multiple objects. We see that objects must have a list of parameters (color, line weight, layer etc.) so surely making a dialogue box that interrogates those attributes and selects based on some parameter must be easy right?

From what I see, this is one of the most requested features - so either it is impossible (or very difficult) to implement, not a priority (top requested feature..?!?) or it's being saved for 2.x to tempt people to upgrade when the time comes. This forum is for giving feedback - my feedback is that without this feature, Designer just doesn't work for a lot of what *I* do and isn't a completely viable alternative to Illustrator at this time. If I'm the niche - so be it, sucks to be me. If Serif are ignoring a huge potential customer base by adding a feature that will grow market share, that's a shame. If it's really hard to implement because of <reasons> then why not just say it? We are not moaning for the sake of moaning - most people (including me!) *really* want an alternative to Adobe right now and actually want Serif to succeed by making this piece of software better. What is the point of this forum otherwise?

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6 hours ago, MEB said:

There's no "prevarication" as there's no commitment with any dates

This is wrong. Your answer is, I’m afraid, more prevarication. 

I appreciate the help you’ve provided previously, but surely you and Serif realise this status quo cannot continue. It is damaging the reputation of the software and the company that this is and has been fobbed off for so long.

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3 minutes ago, robinp said:

This is wrong. Your answer is, I’m afraid, more prevarication. 

I appreciate the help you’ve provided previously, but surely you and Serif realise this status quo cannot continue. It is damaging the reputation of the software and the company that this is and has been fobbed off for so long.

Serif increased their customer base with more than 100% last year, and, I don’t think that unsatisfied customer is in majority...

There are bugs and that’s some missing features, but overall the average user here thinks that Affinity Suite rocks... 

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16 minutes ago, ErrkaPetti said:

Serif increased their customer base with more than 100% last year, and, I don’t think that unsatisfied customer is in majority...

There are bugs and that’s some missing features, but overall the average user here thinks that Affinity Suite rocks... 

I don’t disagree with what you’ve said, but explain to me how this saga reflects in anything other than a negative light?

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37 minutes ago, robinp said:

prevarication

This is a rather unusual word.  I've never seen it before this thread.

I tried looking it up and the definition basically means "lie" or "deception by skirting around the details" - there is no deception here, no lying going on.  Yes, details are being omitted, but in order to avoid deceiving people.

I think you might want to reconsider this word choice.

 

This thread has degraded into a great example of why Serif does not normally comment on feature requests.  I don't blame them.

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4 minutes ago, fde101 said:

This is a rather unusual word.  I've never seen it before this thread.

I tried looking it up and the definition basically means "lie" or "deception by skirting around the details" - there is no deception here, no lying going on.  Yes, details are being omitted, but in order to avoid deceiving people.

I think you might want to reconsider this word choice.

 

This thread has degraded into a great example of why Serif does not normally comment on feature requests.  I don't blame them.

Oh you do have a habit of being insufferable don’t you. 

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Maybe when you’ve never seen a word before and therefore do not understand its meaning or use, better to lay off telling those that do how to use it. 

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11 minutes ago, robinp said:

better to lay off telling those that do how to use it

I looked it up in the dictionary.  If you mean something else by it, then what dictionary can I find that in - or can you provide your definition?

 

EDIT: now that the definition was added - that does differ from the definitions I am finding for that word.  All of the other sources I am finding indicate that the word implies deception.  I doubt I will be the only reader who has not seen that word before, so others would be likely to draw that same conclusion if faced with that same word and trying to look it up.

I still don't think that this word fits what Serif is doing, but at least the connotations don't seem to be there that I was reading into it, so for that I'll meet you half way - no project of any complexity wants to commit to a date for having something done.  That would be foolish.  They are not being evasive, simply realistic.  Also, this is not an "open" project no matter how much the openness of the forum might suggest - this is a commercial endeavor, so there will be some things that they necessarily need to keep a lid on until they are ready to roll them out.

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Oh, geez, I love that word. I mean, it is itself prevarication.

My grandmother would use it to us kids when she either didn't know if we were actually lying to her or obfuscating the truth by not telling her the whole truth and thereby attempting to deceive her.

The word and its usage goes beyond the simple, single definition given above. Even so, one cannot (should not) apply that definition to this situation. Else Serif is guilty of a whole lotta prevarication as this is their standard response to any and all estimates of future features. 

No one is going to goad Serif into a revelation of what/when features will be added...unless they are about ready to commit to them (as has been done in the past).

Mike

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2 hours ago, MadCat said:

Does Serif like money?

If this is the only goal it would indeed be very easy to implement halve baked features and sell it at slightly higher price,market it as god,grab the bucks and retire on Bora Bora.
This would mean more bugs,patches and more frustrated users whom will walk away for good and in this day and age is never good advertising and is usually the end.

So I don't give a [ fill in your favorite catchphrase ] what people have on their wish lists and cry and moan about it and want to have it implemented yesterday.

Serif has mentioned over and over and over again that they want something that's working on their own terms,not only for themselves but for us,users and for future versions being easily updated and maintained.


 


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2 hours ago, fde101 said:

no project of any complexity wants to commit to a date for having something done

That is wrong. Any construction project will have a completion date committed into contract. Of course, meeting it might not always happen. In the design stages we would normally have a design programme and that would be more for guidance and organisation purposes. These could both be considered “projects” of significant complexity. 

 

1 hour ago, MikeW said:

The word and its usage goes beyond the simple, single definition given above

I disagree and indeed, I’ve since looked up many definitions and they all seem to basically say the same thing which also happens to correlate with my understanding of it. 

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8 minutes ago, robinp said:

That is wrong. Any construction project will have a completion date committed into contract. Of course, meeting it might not always happen. In the design stages we would normally have a design programme and that would be more for guidance and organisation purposes. These could both be considered “projects” of significant complexity. 

 

You are not working at Serif and therefor not knowing what goals they have set for themselves and nor should you know because of the aforementioned reasons.
And calling a company deceitful is just plain sad in whatever obscure definitions you want to write or say it.


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