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Yes it is a Beta version - you TRY it out for free, if you are not prepared to tolerant a problem in a Beta version then use 1.6. 

Beta phase generally begins when the software is feature complete but likely to contain a number of known or unknown bugs.[4] Software in the beta phase will generally have many more bugs in it than completed software, speed or performance issues, and may still cause crashes or data loss. The focus of beta testing is reducing impacts to users, often incorporating usability testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release and this is typically the first time that the software is available outside of the organization that developed it. Beta version software is often useful for demonstrations and previews within an organization and to prospective customers. Wiki. 

 

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6 hours ago, squeezer said:

Whilst all this is very interesting, it means that whenever we want to use Affinity Photo, we have to work around this bug, so when is it going to be fixed? it was not there before on Photo 1.6 so the fix should be pretty straightforward, time scales please?

 

Dave

Hi Dave,
This should be fixed in one of the next Betas (probably the next one). Please be aware that this is a Beta - we do not recommend using it for production work.

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Ron,

I am not up on all this beta stuff, in my industry we used to prototype test, re- prototype & test as many times as we had need to, then launch onto customers, I guess that this is not safety critical stuff like I dealt with. Different industries, different approaches to product development, and I have been retired a long time now. I thought that a beta was an early release to existing customers to get used to, 'not be be used in production' as my license was for 1.6., not 1.7. Being retired, that is not an issue for me, I use the program for my photographic club comp entries and other hobby stuff not for any productive or monetary gain.

I thought I had to wipe off the 1.6 from my computer when I put the 1.7 on to it, which I did, so I have no access to that, and, as this was an update to the earlier 1.7, then that version which worked better is lost to me as well. Can I re-install 1.6? do I have to wipe off 1.7? 

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21 minutes ago, squeezer said:

I thought I had to wipe off the 1.6 from my computer when I put the 1.7 on to it, which I did, so I have no access to that, and, as this was an update to the earlier 1.7, then that version which worked better is lost to me as well. Can I re-install 1.6? do I have to wipe off 1.7? 

We've been told that a 1.7 beta should refuse to run if it cannot find a licensed retail version (for example, 1.6) of the software on your system, so it's strange that you are using a 1.7 beta after removing 1.6.

Anyway, yes you can re-install 1.6 and use it and the 1.7 betas.

 

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1 minute ago, >|< said:

We've been told that a 1.7 beta should refuse to run if it cannot find a licensed retail version (for example, 1.6) of the software on your system, so it's strange that you are using a 1.7 beta after removing 1.6.

Anyway, yes you can re-install 1.6 and use it and the 1.7 betas.

 

On Windows it is quite possible that removing the program did not remove everything from the registry, which is where the beta installer would look.

 


-- Walt

Windows 10 Home, version 1809, 16GB memory, Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.00Gz
Affinity Photo 1.6.5.123 and 1.7.0.258 Beta
Affinity Designer 1.6..5.123 and 1.7.0.258 Beta
Affinity Publisher 1.7.0.270 Beta

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Just now, walt.farrell said:

On Windows it is quite possible that removing the program did not remove everything from the registry, which is where the beta installer would look.

 

Yes, that or something similar could be the explanation.

 

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32 minutes ago, squeezer said:

I am not up on all this beta stuff, in my industry we used to prototype test, re- prototype & test as many times as we had need to, then launch onto customers, I guess that this is not safety critical stuff like I dealt with. Different industries, different approaches to product development, and I have been retired a long time now

We are seeing selected beta builds. We don't see all of them.

Some may have been tested internally by Serif and found to have enough bugs that they did not want to expose us to them. Or other problems, such as features that weren't complete enough to satisfy Serif.

But before the customer beta program, Serif had (i believe) other internal test phases, possibly invited private beta testing rather than open to any customer. Or possibly limited to Serif employees. And before they probably had alpha testing, involving a more limited set of Serif employees.


-- Walt

Windows 10 Home, version 1809, 16GB memory, Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.00Gz
Affinity Photo 1.6.5.123 and 1.7.0.258 Beta
Affinity Designer 1.6..5.123 and 1.7.0.258 Beta
Affinity Publisher 1.7.0.270 Beta

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I have been a member for just over twelve months after ditching P/S, now I am wondering if I did the right thing, firstly the Histogram in RAW development did not work now in RAW development when I progress to Photo Persona I get a faded image, I am not impressed how can a programme or a Beta edition be released with such basic problems I am afraid if Affinity was my company some heads would role and staff would be working back late until problems were fixed. Andy. 

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4 hours ago, AndrewW said:

I have been a member for just over twelve months after ditching P/S, now I am wondering if I did the right thing, firstly the Histogram in RAW development did not work now in RAW development when I progress to Photo Persona I get a faded image, I am not impressed how can a programme or a Beta edition be released with such basic problems I am afraid if Affinity was my company some heads would role and staff would be working back late until problems were fixed. Andy. 

I am a bit more philosophical, we all know that sh1t happens, no one would willingly degrade something in front of customers, nor would a good management punish as you suggest, you want a team that will explore boundaries and take balanced risks.  In my experience at the sharp end,  it is how you react in communication to those affected and then in both speed and thoroughness of the fix. Affinity have acknowledged the issue, have said there will be a fix in the next beta. My mistake was in not realising the full implications or what a beta is and my frustration is around not knowing the time to fix.

To the chap who quoted wiki, you need to know you have a gap in knowledge to want to look something up, and wiki is not what I would call 100% authoritative of references.

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Sorry Squeezer I cannot agree, to release a programme with Histogram problems, then a Beta upgrade that appears to have fixed Histogram but with a RAW conversion problem to people like me, getting on in years, not computer literate like many of you also receiving my copy of the Affinity workbook this week, I find it very frustrating, can I expect to wait another 12 months or more for a fix. Please, Affinity, make the program workable so I can at least start using Workbook.  Andy.

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11 hours ago, AndrewW said:

Please, Affinity, make the program workable so I can at least start using Workbook.

The 1.6 version of Photo should work fine with the workbook.


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Windows 10 Home, version 1809, 16GB memory, Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.00Gz
Affinity Photo 1.6.5.123 and 1.7.0.258 Beta
Affinity Designer 1.6..5.123 and 1.7.0.258 Beta
Affinity Publisher 1.7.0.270 Beta

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8 minutes ago, AndrewW said:

How do I return to the 1.6 version, please.

 

Andy

Download the installer from wherever you got it before, and then run the installer.

 

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Andy,

I went on line, and just downloaded 1.6 without removing the beta, I now have both!

As to your other comment about knocking on in years, so am I, my computer skills are, well, questioned by my kids. Next time I play with beta versions I shall at least understand what I am getting into. I do wish a rough timescale was available

 

Dave

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Hi Dave

I did not know what I was doing when I downloaded the Beta version and would hesitate at doing it again, I will try to download the 1.6 version again later.

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33 minutes ago, Rusty Arrow said:

Update 240 still has same problem- was there a fix in this release does any one know?

The Fixes list doesn't seem to show a fix for this problem, so I'd say no, there wasn't.


-- Walt

Windows 10 Home, version 1809, 16GB memory, Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.00Gz
Affinity Photo 1.6.5.123 and 1.7.0.258 Beta
Affinity Designer 1.6..5.123 and 1.7.0.258 Beta
Affinity Publisher 1.7.0.270 Beta

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Just now, walt.farrell said:

The Fixes list doesn't seem to show a fix for this problem, so I'd say no, there wasn't.

I also read that but found it odd it was not fixed at this time, everything worked well before the last release, hey hoe have to wait until the next release I guess. It is not as much a problem but annoying .   

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If we are talking about the histogram it was fixed in the first Beta version, I always shot RAW hence my earlier comments for a fix.

Andy.

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Just FYI, in the next beta build there will be a fix for the wrong colour profile being assigned when developing. 

And to re-iterate what people have already said - a beta is for helping us to test the software, you're experiencing the software as we develop it, bugs and all. There is a disclaimer at the top of each forum post that contains a new beta, describing this, and telling you not to use it for production purposes. If this isn't for you, then the official retail releases will be more suitable (i.e. 1.6).

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Fixed in Beta 243

 


Affinity Photo 1.6.5.123, Beta 1.7.0.243; Win10 Home 1803: Intel i7-4770, 3.40GHz, 16GB Ram, Nvidia GTX 645 

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Mark,

Your comments about disclaimers is just hiding behind jargon, how many of us amateur photographers think of what we do as 'production'? I certainly had no inkling what what was meant, nor what what was implied by the the term beta. but put all that aside, this colour profile issue affects 100% of all the users using affinity to work up raw images. the other items fixed may affect a small percentage of users, so why was this develop person issue not prioritised?

 

Dave

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1 hour ago, squeezer said:

Mark,

Your comments about disclaimers is just hiding behind jargon, how many of us amateur photographers think of what we do as 'production'? I certainly had no inkling what what was meant, nor what what was implied by the the term beta. but put all that aside, this colour profile issue affects 100% of all the users using affinity to work up raw images. the other items fixed may affect a small percentage of users, so why was this develop person issue not prioritised?

 

Dave

Dave, it isn't my fault that you don't understand what beta or production means. If you stuck with the 1.6 version, it prompts you to update to official retail releases only. You manually installed the beta version from the forum, whether you understood what it was or not. I have fixed the problem in build 243, so if you wish to remain testing the beta version, upgrade to that, if not, I suggest you uninstall it and stick with the retail versions (currently 1.6).

For reference, here's the full disclaimer at the top of every single beta release page:

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As this is a beta it is considered to be not suitable for production use. This means that you should not attempt to use it for commercial purposes or for any other activity that may be adversely affected by the application failing, including the total loss of any documents. 

The disclaimer is not to be taken lightly.

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