lilloph3 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Hi, I use AP 1 month ago, but only today I see very important difference when I import raw files directly. I was aperture used an in this program the raw files are 1 or 2 step more brilliant. I verify the same color setting all two programs .but a don't undertanding this difference ! Someone can help me !??? lilloph3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billtils Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Welcome to the AP beta forum lilloph3! Different engines will not render RAW images identically. If you are not happy with the original in AP there are lots of adjustment options in the Develop and Photo personas. Also, there is an improved RAW engine in the works (if I remember correctly :) ). As an example, I have a Nikon camera and normally use their ViewNX 2 software to download and process the camera's RAW images, before fine tuning in AP, but have found that I am leaving more and more of the processing to AP. lilloph3 1 Retina iMac (4K display, 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM) OS X 10.11.6 Capture One 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan9940 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Hello lilloph3, As Bill said, Welcome to the Forum! The Develop Persona (aka the raw converter) in AP is still much a "work in progress." I'm sure changes will be made before the final shipping product. Therefore, I wouldn't judge or compare it to any other product until AP is done. Just my 2 cents added... Best regards, AlanH lilloph3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFromMesa Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Yes. I think the term "a work in progress" fits very nicely. And I am using an external raw converter with AP as well (although it might be more accurate to say I am using AP with a raw converter since the workflow tool does most of the processing). I like AP quite a bit, but I don't think its current raw converter is as good as some others available, at least not yet, and it is worth remembering that it is still in beta ... I expect it to be a lot better before it is in actual release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilloph3 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 Thank you guys for welcome ! Please explain to me what is the regular workflow for raw images ! Listen a raw file with a best converter and than use AP for adjusting ? Correct? In this case what is the images format tha you prefer to use ?ciao ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billtils Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Your workflow is what you do to download the images from your camera, convert the RAW files (assuming you shoot in RAW and do not let the camera do the conversions for you), and then edit them (all the good things that are in Affinity Photo's toolbar and Adjustments pane) to get to your final image. There are about as many possible workflows as there are people downloading RAW files, and they can reflect personal preferences (for example there have been quite a few posts here critical of Adobe's move to a "Subscription" model where you can no longer purchase PhotoShop out right - and LR looks to be heading that way too), and their needs (pros, "serious" amateurs, or casual). Add the myriad of programmes available and it can get really complex! Retina iMac (4K display, 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM) OS X 10.11.6 Capture One 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediafuel Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hi. Sorry for the basic questions. I am new to RAW photography having only just got a Canon EOS 70D. 1. Is the Develop Persona meant to be the equivalent to Adobe Bridge i.e., non destructive RAW editing before going into Photoshop? 2. The work flow discussion above interests me. Is the idea that eventually AP will handle to whole process from initial development right through to photo manipulation wizardry and then export to finished requirements? If so, what would a good workflow be for RAW images if AP can be used as an all in one package? 3. My Canon camera came with DPP3 - Digital Photo Professional v3. This is the Canon supplied RAW development software. So this would be the equivalent of what some of the above posters were using when they said they converted their RAW images in other software before using AP? 4. Are there any Canon shooters here? If so, do you use Canon's DPP3 software or something else? Can I do better than Canon's own software for non destructive RAW development? Cheers and thanks for your time. Reality is perception. Perception is reality. You are in charge of both. iMac | 21.5 | Mid 2011 MacBook Air | 13 inch | Early 2015 2.5 GHz | i5 quad 1.6 GHz | Core i5 20 GB Ram | 10.12.6 8 GB Ram | 10.13.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Strawberry Monkey Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hi. Sorry for the basic questions. I am new to RAW photography having only just got a Canon EOS 70D. 1. Is the Develop Persona meant to be the equivalent to Adobe Bridge i.e., non destructive RAW editing before going into Photoshop? Hi regarding Q1, Adobe Bridge is for storing, organising and adding metadata to your pictures. ACR (Adobe camera raw) and Lightroom are the applications I think you are referring to. The Develop Persona has similar features to those both, yes. Only in this case you would just head back to the Photo Persona which would be a similar workflow from ACR/Lightroom to Photoshop. Allan Mediafuel 1 About me: Trainer at Apple, Freelance Video Editor, Motion Graphics Artist, Website Designer, Photographer. Yes I like creating things!!! Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/mystrawberrymonkey/ Twitter: @StrawberryMnky @imAllanThompson Web: mystrawberrymonkey.com Portfolio: behance.net/allanthompson YouTube: Affinity Designer & Photo Tutorials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csp Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 @ mediafuel canon raw converter - dpp 4 is already available and it is a big improvement over dpp 3 ! for me the best raw converter is capture one pro. a very good alternativ is iridient developer. Mediafuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilloph3 Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 A two little questions When I open a raw file with AP, that I view is the real raw, or AP make some regulation ? What is the after/before button in the bar menu? If I push one of this two buttons just opened a raw file I can see different regulations , why this is possible ! ....... Someone know what appen with this files? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billtils Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 @lilloph There isn't a "real" raw, only how your software interprets the digital information created by the camera sensor. Difference software will produce different first pass images and permit a variety of edits which can usually be tweaked to give you the image that you feel best captures the scene that you shot. You can read about before/after in the Affinity Help menu, but basically it allows you to split the screen and view the effect that any changes you make in the Develop persona (such as White Balance or Exposure) have on the original image. And don't forget the "Show clipped highlights" and "Show clipped shadows" buttons! lilloph3 1 Retina iMac (4K display, 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM) OS X 10.11.6 Capture One 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediafuel Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hi regarding Q1, Adobe Bridge is for storing, organising and adding metadata to your pictures. ACR (Adobe camera raw) and Lightroom are the applications I think you are referring to. The Develop Persona has similar features to those both, yes. Only in this case you would just head back to the Photo Persona which would be a similar workflow from ACR/Lightroom to Photoshop. Allan Ahh Yes, thats right, I did mean Adobe Camera RAW, not bridge. Thank you. Reality is perception. Perception is reality. You are in charge of both. iMac | 21.5 | Mid 2011 MacBook Air | 13 inch | Early 2015 2.5 GHz | i5 quad 1.6 GHz | Core i5 20 GB Ram | 10.12.6 8 GB Ram | 10.13.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediafuel Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 @ mediafuel canon raw converter - dpp 4 is already available and it is a big improvement over dpp 3 ! for me the best raw converter is capture one pro. a very good alternativ is iridient developer. Thank you, I will look into your suggestions. Reality is perception. Perception is reality. You are in charge of both. iMac | 21.5 | Mid 2011 MacBook Air | 13 inch | Early 2015 2.5 GHz | i5 quad 1.6 GHz | Core i5 20 GB Ram | 10.12.6 8 GB Ram | 10.13.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilleG Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I would have liked to be able to use AP as a one-stop photo editor. However, on a RAW file, it doesn't give me the rich deep greens that Nikon's Capture NX2 does. Instead everything is a bit lighter and the greens are a bit yellowish. I still plan for AP to be my Photoshop replacement though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilloph3 Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 @billtilsi don't understand if when i open a new raw file exist some ratification that AP do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billtils Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 @lilloph3 If I understand your response correctly, yes that is correct, what you see when you open your RAW (?NEF) file in AP is determined by the way that AP interprets the digital data in the RAW file. It will be different from what you get when you use ViewNX 2 (Idid you mean Capture NX-D or did you mean ViewNX 2) - remember that "good" with all of these RAW rendering programs is as much about your personal preferences as anything absolute, but having said that, my personal choice is that ViewNX 2 gives the "best" first pass rendering; I don't really like the Capture program although it probably uses the same RAW engine as View. Retina iMac (4K display, 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM) OS X 10.11.6 Capture One 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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