Staff Patrick Connor Posted May 17, 2021 Staff Share Posted May 17, 2021 @Zedd Gaming Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums 36 minutes ago, Zedd Gaming said: Please fix it. This is something Serif do want to support in the Affinity range, but unfortunately it is not a bug with a simple "fix". For this to be supported a lot of code needs to be written, as it requires support for mixed LTR and RTL in the same sentence to be properly useful, not just RTL for a whole sentence/paragraph. Sorry there is not better news on this at the moment. Zedd Gaming, klm.ny and garrettm30 1 1 1 Quote Patrick Connor Serif Europe Ltd Latest V2 releases on each platform Help make our apps better by joining our beta program! "There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man. True nobility lies in being superior to your previous self." W. L. Sheldon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arikg Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Patrick Connor said: @Zedd Gaming Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums This is something Serif do want to support in the Affinity range, but unfortunately it is not a bug with a simple "fix". For this to be supported a lot of code needs to be written, as it requires support for mixed LTR and RTL in the same sentence to be properly useful, not just RTL for a whole sentence/paragraph. Sorry there is not better news on this at the moment. Funny, ArtWayz was able to build a third party tool (RTL Fixer) that brings RTL support for Affinity products. The app also support mix RTL and LTR. Ohh, and all that, in less than half a year. Are you sure Serif is working on that? Edited May 17, 2021 by arikg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 They could sneak a peak at the source code of Scribus to work out the algorithms employed to provide such support in that package. Then refine the algorithms to as streamlined a form as they can before implementing their own interpretation in their own original source code. They might actually be able to develop their own understanding by doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashf Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 It's already mentioned by others before, adapting to Harfbuzz may be the only solution to make Affinity true multilingual.Adobe, Scribus, Inkscape or LibreOffice uses Harfbuzz.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarfBuzz keren 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klm.ny Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, LondonSquirrel said: HarfBuzz is not suitable by itself for a DTP application. The HarfBuzz authors themselves are clear about this. See my comment, and a sample of text using produced using the HarfBuzz engine, here: Its suitable for Adobe, but not for Affinity?... Do you have a better option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icomposer Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 On 2/2/2019 at 3:13 PM, MEB said: Hi Amr, Welcome to Affinity Forums As said in the original post this is something we do plan to implement but not in the short/medium term. There's still a lot of work in other areas that must be done first, sorry. It has been over 2 years now. What about an update or an upgrade to solve the R to L issue? Other external apps do not do the work as an integration in the application itself. Thank you klm.ny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icomposer Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 On 5/17/2021 at 1:06 PM, Zedd Gaming said: Two years later.. the issue hasn't been resolved yet. 😔 This is not a feature that only select people need, it is essential for anyone working with RTL languages. Please fix it. it is very sad klm.ny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roj Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) YES! you can add Arabic text to affinity Photo or Affinity designer. This method used in photoshop as well when didn’t support Arabic text. You can follow this video https://youtu.be/awEwjgMaokI Video steps given bellow: 1st. Download arabic font. I prefer https://arabicfonts.net 2nd. Imported to Affinity photo or Affinity designer by going to settings—> fonts—> choose cloud icon —> import your downloaded Arabic font. 3rd. Go to http://www.arabic-keyboard.org/photoshop-arabic/ Site and type your arabic text and then you have copy option to copy it. Then go to affinity normally paste it in. Make sure to use that Arabic font in affinity app Edited June 28, 2021 by Roj William Overington 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icomposer Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 @Roj thank you... this method is ok for small projects. However, for creating/designing books or bigger projects affinity applications need to handle Arabic texts as native font integration and from R to L and so on... klm.ny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Neil Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, icomposer said: @Roj thank you... this method is ok for small projects. However, for creating/designing books or bigger projects affinity applications need to handle Arabic texts as native font integration and from R to L and so on... There is no support for RTL paragraph. I am in the middle of a massive project and I have ended up to do a paragraph line by line. Unfortunately Affinity do not see the value of RTL and whatever you say falls on deaf ears.. klm.ny and affinityfan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 2:02 PM, Sam Neil said: Unfortunately Affinity do not see the value of RTL If that were true there wouldn’t have been Middle East versions of some of the X5 ‘Plus’ applications. Unfortunately Serif had to rely on the help of a third party, which strongly suggests that they are unlikely to have the in-house expertise required to add RTL capability to the Affinity apps. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 7/1/2021 at 3:22 PM, LondonSquirrel said: That is by far the best way given your suggestion about the lack of knowledge of RTL with in-house devs. Agreed. What was unfortunate about the reliance on outside help is that their cooperation didn’t last. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Neil Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 7/1/2021 at 1:02 PM, Alfred said: If that were true there wouldn’t have been Middle East versions of some of the X5 ‘Plus’ applications. Unfortunately Serif had to rely on the help of a third party, which strongly suggests that they are unlikely to have the in-house expertise required to add RTL capability to the Affinity apps. Well what is stopping Serif? They have enough loyal users such as myself to give a hand in anyway that we can. What is the issue? development/technical or RTL user input? Sadly they have been very vague about it, citing simply no plans yet. This is discouraging and not helpful. If a proper explanation is given, perhaps repeated questions such as the one in this thread would not pop up again and again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sam Neil said: What is the issue? development/technical or RTL user input? As far as I’m aware, it was purely the development/technical side of things. WinSoft International created custom versions of PagePlus and two other Serif applications that allowed the user to work in Arabic, Farsi, Hebrew and a couple of other RTL languages, but their agreement only covered the X5 versions and wasn’t extended beyond that. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Neil Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, Alfred said: As far as I’m aware, it was purely the development/technical side of things. WinSoft International created custom versions of PagePlus and two other Serif applications that allowed the user to work in Arabic, Farsi, Hebrew and a couple of other RTL languages, but their agreement only covered the X5 versions and wasn’t extended beyond that. I see. Cheers for that Alfred. At least that's a bit more helpful to know. Alfred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tia Lapis Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Has Serif promised RTL support sometime? To my knowledge no. So why should they give arguments why they don't work on features never promised? Quote Mac mini M1 / Ryzen 5600H & RTX3050 mobile / iPad Pro 1st - all with latest non beta release of Affinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tia Lapis Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said: I don't think they have promised, but they have said they would like to do it: I see. I feel the pain. I would love to have full japanese support in it but I know that this will not come soon even with it being lots easier to implement than full cursive arabic. Quote Mac mini M1 / Ryzen 5600H & RTX3050 mobile / iPad Pro 1st - all with latest non beta release of Affinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighTime Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) This is just beyond depressing. It is literally all I need to be able to use Publisher properly and leave all other software. Mind-blowing how others can do it and Affinity just doesn't seem to give a damn. Edited July 10, 2021 by HighTime typo klm.ny and dominik 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tia Lapis Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 All other have it? InDesign and Xpress have it - as addons and far from perfect. It’s sadly a fact that cursive Arabian and Hebrew is very hard to typeset. Serif is to small a company to sink their resources in that feature. Not because they don’t care but because the needed work probably stands in no good relation to the additional income it would produce. Quote Mac mini M1 / Ryzen 5600H & RTX3050 mobile / iPad Pro 1st - all with latest non beta release of Affinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helzayat Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 I have been able to use Arabic text in Affinity Designer using this tool: http://www.arabic-keyboard.org/photoshop-arabic/ Just started using it so I don't know if any problems will crop up later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klm.ny Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, helzayat said: I have been able to use Arabic text in Affinity Designer using this tool: http://www.arabic-keyboard.org/photoshop-arabic/ Just started using it so I don't know if any problems will crop up later. Did you try to use it on long text in Publisher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helzayat Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahmed2021 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 7/5/2020 at 9:08 AM, VAQARSHA said: @Sam Neil and @thomaso This is for both of you. First write something in the MS Word then make a copy and apply the same paste special method. Sam Neil I have used your reference lalezar font and its working in both the Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo. And if there is no paste special option it could probably be the older version. السلام عليكم ورحمة الله ممكن تجربوا الصفحة اللاي تحت دي فيها حركة تشغل العربي you can check this page will solve Arabic issues Ahmed ezz Egypt http://www.arabic-keyboard.org/photoshop-arabic/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coral Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Any update on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Neil Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, coral said: Any update on this? It is NOT going to happen. I suggest you use InDesign or even Microsoft Publisher which handles RTL beautifully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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