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5 minutes ago, firstdefence said:

Have you ever looked at sketchup?

I'm sure it will have limitations but may be worth a look to see if it can have some benefit to your workflow. There's no substitute for apps like solidworks but it wouldn't hurt to check sketchup out if you haven't already: https://help.sketchup.com/en/layout/creating-scaled-drawing#create-scale

 

I have used Sketchup as a tool for drawing in perspective but it very limited for my requirements. Its OK for large scale architectural type drawing but I wanted to use for technical illustration and it was too cumbersome.

I started this thread just asking if scaled drawing could be done in AD and it can't at present so I will continue to use DrawPlus.


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27 minutes ago, firstdefence said:

Have you ever looked at sketchup?

SketchUp is a very capable app, but the full featured version is quite expensive ($695 US). The old free versions (like version 8, one of the first updates released by Trimble after they acquired the app from Google) & the current "SketchUp Free" app lack a great many features of the 'pro' version, including scaling.


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6 hours ago, firstdefence said:

In whatever format their software uses to cut the design out.

They all use PDF. Well, the places I use do.

So make an AD drawing 17.8 foot long by any height you want. Just put a colored rectangle on it, export to pdf and open it in Acrobat or Reader and tell me what you see and what the dimension is.

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7 hours ago, MikeW said:

They all use PDF. Well, the places I use do.

So make an AD drawing 17.8 foot long by any height you want. Just put a colored rectangle on it, export to pdf and open it in Acrobat or Reader and tell me what you see and what the dimension is.

Cut short by approx 13 inches :( Out of range in Acrobat reader, Illustrator and Photoshop display it at the correct size.


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19 minutes ago, firstdefence said:

Cut short by approx 13 inches :( Out of range in Acrobat reader, Illustrator and Photoshop display it at the correct size.

Too bad they use Acrobat and/or the RIP to actually print from, isn't it?

BTW, I've made 400 plus inch banners at full-scale and those PDFs do display and print from Acrobat and most RIPs. The secret is all about standing on the left foot, right eye closed and ...

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18 minutes ago, jackamus said:

And what?

Hah. I wondered if anyone would ask.

All that is needed is to export to eps and use Adobe Distiller using a special profile. This profile was made for architects for plotting on wide format plotters/printers. 

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I shall have to look into this.

There is one other aspect to all this that I didn't mention and that is that DrawPlus allows not only scaling but also dimensions to be applied to a drawing.


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58 minutes ago, jackamus said:

I shall have to look into this.

There is one other aspect to all this that I didn't mention and that is that DrawPlus allows not only scaling but also dimensions to be applied to a drawing.

And for those reasons you mention, I wouldn't try hammering on AD to do what you need. 

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Do you mean that if DrawPlus can do it then there is no need to ask AD to add as a new feature?


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3 hours ago, jackamus said:

Do you mean that if DrawPlus can do it then there is no need to ask AD to add as a new feature?

I would certainly still request a draw to scale feature, I think mike is alluding to the foreseeable future, I can't imagine they will implement draw to scale in the 1.x iterations, maybe the 2.x cycle, but you never know.


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33 minutes ago, firstdefence said:

I would certainly still request a draw to scale feature, I think mike is alluding to the foreseeable future, I can't imagine they will implement draw to scale in the 1.x iterations, maybe the 2.x cycle, but you never know.

I'm 78 - maybe I can't wait that long!


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I have no idea, I think that is exclusive knowledge for a 33rd degree serifin. 

Joking aside, I would assume they have a logical feature list that is going to be implemented with considerations to majority need, complexity of task, additional improvements to a feature to make it better than existing tools in other packages etc etc. I think there are quite a few existing items that really need attention and improving before adding more features.


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I realize that this is not a forum for DrawPlus but considering there is PC version of AD I wonder how easy or difficult it would be to modify some of DPs features to fall in line with AD? An example would be the layout of the various tools and context toolbar etc. Also DPs QS layout could match ADs etc.


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2 minutes ago, jackamus said:

I realize that this is not a forum for DrawPlus but considering there is PC version of AD I wonder how easy or difficult it would be to modify some of DPs features to fall in line with AD?

The code base of the Affinity apps is totally different from that of the Plus apps, so everything has to be written specifically to use the Affinity code.

A crude analogy would be like trying to modify an old 1950's era analog TV using a CRT screen & vacuum tubes (thermionic valves to you Brits) to use solid state electronics & an LCD screen to display digital TV broadcasts. 


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13 minutes ago, R C-R said:

The code base of the Affinity apps is totally different from that of the Plus apps, so everything has to be written specifically to use the Affinity code.

A crude analogy would be like trying to modify an old 1950's era analog TV using a CRT screen & vacuum tubes (thermionic valves to you Brits) to use solid state electronics & an LCD screen to display digital TV broadcasts. 

I didn't quite mean that, I meant modifying DPs existing code to look more like AD not necessarily work in the same way.

It would be like taking an old 1950s analogue TV and making it look like a 1980s analogue TV.


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5 minutes ago, jackamus said:

I didn't quite mean that, I meant modifying DPs existing code to look more like AD not necessarily work in the same way.

It would be like taking an old 1950s analogue TV and making it look like a 1980s analogue TV.

From the second part of your previous post, it sounds as though you just want to see the return of the layout of some of the tools (i.e. nothing to do with the code base or the feature set).

46 minutes ago, jackamus said:

I realize that this is not a forum for DrawPlus but considering there is PC version of AD I wonder how easy or difficult it would be to modify some of DPs features to fall in line with AD? An example would be the layout of the various tools and context toolbar etc. Also DPs QS layout could match ADs etc.

 


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2 minutes ago, Alfred said:

From the second part of your previous post, it sounds as though you just want to see the return of the layout of some of the tools (i.e. nothing to do with the code base or the feature set).

No I don't want to return to anything. I am suggesting that DP is modified to look something like PC version of AD. This because DP has some features that AD doesn't have but could be arranged/modified to look more like AD.

Its about like making a Ford Escort look like a Ferrari but not perform like one.


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7 minutes ago, jackamus said:

Its about like making a Ford Escort look like a Ferrari but not perform like one.

What would be the point of that?


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2 minutes ago, jackamus said:

No I don't want to return to anything. I am suggesting that DP is modified to look something like PC version of AD. This because DP has some features that AD doesn't have but could be arranged/modified to look more like AD.

Its about like making a Ford Escort look like a Ferrari but not perform like one.

What you’re suggesting is like asking Ford to manufacture a modified version of a model of car that they no longer sell: it isn’t going to happen. Since DrawPlus has ceased development and become a ‘legacy’ product, Serif will only consider patching it if Microsoft issues a Windows update that breaks something. And if Serif have stopped selling it by the time that occurs, they won’t patch it at all.


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1 hour ago, Alfred said:

What you’re suggesting is like asking Ford to manufacture a modified version of a model of car that they no longer sell: it isn’t going to happen.

With no disrespect intended for the Plus apps, it is also somewhat like putting lipstick on a pig -- it is still a pig & will behave like one, even if it looks a bit different.


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8 hours ago, jackamus said:

Do you mean that if DrawPlus can do it then there is no need to ask AD to add as a new feature?

It's not on the 1.x roadmap therefore it's not going to be soon. Even if it is on the 2.x roadmap there is no telling when in that cycle it would happen. You have a current solution so use it until such time as it is added to AD. If ever.

 

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3 hours ago, Alfred said:

What you’re suggesting is like asking Ford to manufacture a modified version of a model of car that they no longer sell: it isn’t going to happen. Since DrawPlus has ceased development and become a ‘legacy’ product, Serif will only consider patching it if Microsoft issues a Windows update that breaks something. And if Serif have stopped selling it by the time that occurs, they won’t patch it at all.

And because of that people like me just have to lump-it!

 

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

With no disrespect intended for the Plus apps, it is also somewhat like putting lipstick on a pig -- it is still a pig & will behave like one, even if it looks a bit different. 

I'm astonished that nobody understands what I have been trying to say about how some aspects DP is better than AD.

Going back to our analogies it like creating an updated model of a car that used to have electric windows but leaving them off the updated version but adding self parking mirrors.


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I understand completely.

But like mentioned, Serif isn't going to change DP.

Only Serif knows if they plan on adding dimension capability at this time.

Dimension capability would be a good addition, you've plead your case and I suspect Serif has read this thread. But we never really know unless one of the staff responds--which they often do not do even when they have read a request thread.

You should post a thread in the Feature Request section for this addition.

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