Arcane Vector Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Hello referring to the attached picture how do I make the musical note a solid shape? used the pen tool to trace the shape but can't seem to get the lines to join each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 . hawk and Arcane Vector 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polygonius Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Do i get the question right? In this case i would say use a font/symbol/svg... instead the bitmap.... but generally, that a good question: How to convert a selection" to a shape? I think its impossible, you can only convert to a path or bitmap.... not to a form/path... But in your case, keep the selection, new layer, and paint with a solid color/brush or shift+F5 about the the selection... no other areas will "overpainted". Or jsut say But thats pixel, not shape... Arcane Vector 1 Quote OSX 12.5 / iMac Retina 27" / Radeon Pro 580X / Metall: on! --- WWG1WGA WW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 @Polygonius, in view of the result shown by the OP, the key has been drawn with the pen tool over an image, so it is vectorial and @>|< gives the right solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polygonius Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, reglico said: in view of the result shown by the OP, the key has been drawn with the pen tool over an image, so it is vectorial and @>|< gives the right solution. Are you sure? Do we speak about the sam topic??? Thats MY question: A selection (doesent matter which tool you use) is never a vector - or, thats the question: How to become a vector from a selection????! AFAIK, there is no way! The "mask/path/tray..." is maybe a "show-vector", but how you can NOT transform to a solid vector(form, shape, path....)????? Quote OSX 12.5 / iMac Retina 27" / Radeon Pro 580X / Metall: on! --- WWG1WGA WW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 See the related: Pen Tool - Overlapping drawn shape has no fill Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, Polygonius said: Are you sure? Do we speak about the sam topic??? Thats MY question: A selection (doesent matter which tool you use) is never a vector - or, thats the question: How to become a vector from a selection????! AFAIK, there is no way! The "mask/path/tray..." is maybe a "show-vector", but how you can NOT transform to a solid vector(form, shape, path....)????? I just quickly drew the treble clef in red over the black clef image provided by @Kev-Affinity. In my screenshot the red key is selected and is a vector object, the musical staff with the black treble key is an image. It is not a question of working directly on this image (for example by wanting to color the key) that I have locked, but to use it only as a model to reproduce its content. The image remains an image but the object drawn with the Pen tool is vectorial and can be filled directly once selected. the red key, once selected, is not a selection in the sense of selecting an area of pixels since it is vectorial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Polygonius said: Do i get the question right? In this case i would say use a font/symbol/svg... instead the bitmap.... but generally, that a good question: How to convert a selection" to a shape? I think its impossible, you can only convert to a path or bitmap.... not to a form/path... But in your case, keep the selection, new layer, and paint with a solid color/brush or shift+F5 about the the selection... no other areas will "overpainted". Or jsut say But thats pixel, not shape... >|< isn't talking about a making a selection, he is talking about selecting the layer in the Layers Panel in order to change the Fill Mode, this is assuming the OP is using Affinity Designer and not Affinity Photo which doesn't have the fill mode option. Polygonius 1 Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 My new best favourite musical note... Behold the Demisemihemidemisemiquaver lol! aka Two hundred fifty-sixth noteDemisemihemidemisemiquaver.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_symbols Alfred 1 Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polygonius Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Are you using AD or AP? What is the result you want? Do you want to "replace" the black clef with a red one? AFAIK even in AD you can open FX and give them the color you want. And resize and re-winkle.... as the size... you want. However in this case... i would "scratch this" from start... make a (maybe) 4 point line with the pen and power-duplicate 5 "brothers" with a distance of 25 pix... and than use use a "font" like "hymnus" or other musical-symbols, or just "draw" by yourself with rhe real forms.... .. but of course, you can also do any way you want... Even the longest... as "pixel"-layer-copy-paste... If you want, its also possible to get a result: Trace what you want, save it as reserve-chanel, but be sure, from here its "pixel". You can "trace" and "tweak" and often very well, but it will be "pixel" no vector! FIRSTDEFENCE: Much Thx: I often do net get the main-ask ... but others too;-) (maybe not here... but in such "responses".... yeah, i would say: DO NOT NEVER NEVER answer if itthe problem is not clear! What system do you use? Which app is specific? Why do we answer to people who thing: you are my answer-slaves? THEY want anything from us. NOt the the opposite! We should not answer untill the most conformations are given: "WHATS YOUR PROBLEM in GENERAL?"""""" Quote OSX 12.5 / iMac Retina 27" / Radeon Pro 580X / Metall: on! --- WWG1WGA WW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, Polygonius said: Are you using AD or AP? What is the result you want? Do you want to "replace" the black clef with a red one? AFAIK even in AD you can open FX and give them the color you want. And resize and re-winkle.... as the size... you want. However in this case... i would "scratch this" from start... make a (maybe) 4 point line with the pen and power-duplicate 5 "brothers" with a distance of 25 pix... and than use use a "font" like "hymnus" or other musical-symbols, or just "draw" by yourself with rhe real forms.... .. but of course, you can also do any way you want... Even the longest... as "pixel"-layer-copy-paste... If you want, its also possible to get a result: Trace what you want, save it as reserve-chanel, but be sure, from here its "pixel". You can "trace" and "tweak" and often very well, but it will be "pixel" no vector! FIRSTDEFENCE: Much Thx: I often do net get the main-ask ... but others too;-) (maybe not here... but in such "responses".... yeah, i would say: DO NOT NEVER NEVER answer if itthe problem is not clear! What system do you use? Which app is specific? Why do we answer to people who thing: you are my answer-slaves? THEY want anything from us. NOt the the opposite! We should not answer untill the most conformations are given: "WHATS YOUR PROBLEM in GENERAL?"""""" For me, drawing the key in red simply allows me to distinguish the line I draw on the model which is black, I could have used yellow, it doesn't matter because I can change the color in one click. I use AD and the pen, so the key I draw will be resizable at will without loss of quality, which would not be the case with pixels. On a pixel layer, the key selection would also select the staff which is of the same color. This would require additional handling to isolate the key. If people on the forum answered only questions with all the information necessary for an appropriate answer, there would be a very large majority of unanswered questions. It has already been asked to specify in the title of the question the software and OS used: it is not complicated but how many specify them? Moreover, for some (including myself) there is the language barrier, the understanding of the question or the formulation of the answer is not always obvious. Translators (Google, DeepL,...) sometimes go so far as to reverse the meaning of sentences. In my case, often I don't even have time to answer, an Anglophone may have reacted before I was ready to answer. I wouldn't say that people who ask questions (which we all do at one time or another) take others for slaves to answer, the primary function of a forum is to provide answers to people who ask them. We are ourselves very happy when we get answers to our questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Vector Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 Sorry if my question has caused problems. I just wanted to know why tracing the symbol with the pen tool caused parts to have “holes” in it and what I could do to make it a solid object. I understand now if I change the fill mode in the layer menu it should fill in the holes. But will this work solution if I want to apply a gradient fill? Or would it be better to draw the outline of the symbol and then cut out the inner sections with the subtract operation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kev-Affinity said: draw the outline of the symbol and then cut out the inner sections with the subtract operation? That's certainly a workable solution and probably the easiest to do, once you have done that you can add whatever fills you like gradient or otherwise plus any layer fx you want. Arcane Vector 1 Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJack Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, Kev-Affinity said: But will this work solution if I want to apply a gradient fill? Or would it be better to draw the outline of the symbol and then cut out the inner sections with the subtract operation? 21 minutes ago, firstdefence said: That's certainly a workable solution and probably the easiest to do, once you have done that you can add whatever fills you like gradient or otherwise plus any layer fx you want. Have you guys tried? All that works fine with winding. Arcane Vector and hawk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, firstdefence said: 5 minutes ago, JimmyJack said: Have you guys tried? All that works fine with winding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 You were faster than me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJack Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, reglico said: You were faster than me! It's because I'm an Anglophone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I got my brushes tangled up answering, the drawing in one message and the text in another, I don't know how I managed that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Vector Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 Thanks @JimmyJack and @reglico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kev-Affinity said: Thanks @JimmyJack and @reglico Thanks for the feedback! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJack Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 @Kev-Affinity , BUT if the overlapping lines really bother you, or if they will cause a problem somehow (maybe a laser cutter etc), there is another very simple solution to create a non overlapping object. (just be careful which two points you pick to break ) The Trouble With Trebles: hawk, Arcane Vector and Alfred 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Vector Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 @JimmyJack you have no idea how long spent trying this and various versions of this until I gave up. But I was breaking the intersection directly below where you did in your video JimmyJack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 hours ago, JimmyJack said: It's because I'm an Anglophone! Or is it because you are using Demisemihemidemisemiquaver notation? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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