How to set a 0 bleed on document spine?

[aux1design]

Hi there,

I've a 72 page book (set up in single pages) that requires a 3mm bleed on all sides except the spine side of each page which needs to be 0mm. So effectively the 0mm bleed should alternate every second page from left to right. How can I do this?

BTW first time using AP and I'm very impressed!

Many thanks, Kevin

[Fixx]

Do it as facing pages.

[aux1design]

My clients printers can only do it as single pages, I've done this with InDesign in the past for an 'On demand' online service who had the same requirements, is it just not yet available yet on this beta version? And if not, is it in the pipeline?

[thomaso]

Obviously bleed is a document property, none of pages. So it is not possible.

I see various workarounds but I'd contact the printer first to hear the aim for that bleed request. May be you can fulfill the request in a different way, or even convince him that you know what to do and deliver your file with usual bleeds.

Technically I can't imagine any use in the request for single pages + different bleeds:
• either it gets printed on a paper in same size like the result, then there is no need for bleed at all.
• or it gets printed on a larger sheet, so it has to get cut anyway.

The contact and information from printer might help to choose a workaround method:

a.) Export a PDF with bleed and crop the unwanted bleed afterwards in Acrobat, which enables you to crop on even/odd pages only.

b.) Increase the page size with the requested bleed. Use 2 master pages with different margins.

c.)  1. Export 2 PDFs: one with all even pages only and bleed to the right, the other with odd and bleed left only.
       2. Merge these 2 PDFs to 1 and rearrange the pages.

[aux1design]

Thank you thomaso for your detailed analysis on my issue, I tried tinkering with the master pages but it was cropping on both sides for some odd reason, but option C is brilliant in its simplicity, that will fix it for me - thanks a million.

Kevin

[thomaso]

51 minutes ago, aux1design said:

but it was cropping on both sides

You can apply 4 bleeds – different for each edge of your document.

[Przemysław]

I don't think it's possible, and it's a bit weird requirement, because your printer should be able to set the gutter when imposing pages and get rid of bleed on spine.
Maybe you should change the printer?

 

[Fixx]

So why not set it up like this:

 

[aux1design]

I know that this is not the norm but these printers belong to my client so have no choice. 

Fixx has pointed out that the option is available when creating a new document, but if you keep the default setting (bleeds on all sides the same) then that option is no longer available as you work on the document. Now I'm just going to create a new document with all the correct settings + pages and just copy and paste the content.

Thanks for the help.

Kev.

[aux1design]

...on the screen grab the Inner Bleed then becomes Left Bleed.

[thomaso]

2 hours ago, Fixx said:

So why not set it up like this:

Perfect!

26 minutes ago, aux1design said:

Fixx has pointed out that the option is available when creating a new document, but if you keep the default setting (bleeds on all sides the same) then that option is no longer available as you work on the document.

No. It is available in "Document Setup..." In menu "File" at any time of your work process, – and in menu bar, with no object selected.

          

For Export make shure to select pages, not spreads.

 

This way you'll get single pages with 0 bleed in spine edges.

[thomaso]

42 minutes ago, aux1design said:

...on the screen grab the Inner Bleed then becomes Left Bleed.

Not if you follow Fixx's hint to set your document to facing pages. This way it turns from left/right to inner/outer. 

Regardless of a facing pages document setting you may export as single pages. 

[aux1design]

As I've shown in the screen grab above that option is not there on my working document, this may be a bug associated with only this project I just don't know. 

[aux1design]

Downloaded the latest beta (1.7.0.206) and inner bleed issue is no more, brilliant!

Thanks for all the input.

Kev.