vintage1953 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 When I edit a RAW file in other programs they save the edits to a sidecar file, or a central store. When I reopen the raw file, sometime later, I can see all the edits I have made reflected in the position of the sliders, tick boxes, etc. I can then carry on editing from there. With Affinity the raw opens as if nothing has been done. A complete blank slate! Is there a way round this or is this "all there is"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSG Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, vintage1953 said: Is there a way round this or is this "all there is"? AP doesn't use sidecar files or a central store - edits are stored as part of an .afphoto file (File / Save As, or Save). Opening the RAW file just starts from scratch. There's a caveat though - there's currently no way of saving edits made to a RAW file before you Develop it. Alfred 1 Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Additionally to what @IanSG already answered, see also: Where are the RAW develop settings stored ? ...and several Forum postings about .xmp and sidecar file support for the future (just use the Forums search function). Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintage1953 Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Hmmm........... I'm not sure I can live with this. At the moment I am evaluating Affinity as an all-in-one RAW converter and photo editor. Comparing it to my existing Silkypix, and others, Going back to a RAW file, and starting again, every time, is proving a pain. Might not be so in "real life", perhaps, but couple that with a few other things....................(showing .orf files as only icons, for instance) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSG Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 43 minutes ago, vintage1953 said: Going back to a RAW file, and starting again, every time, is proving a pain. You don't need to do that - open the .afphoto file and carry on where you left off. 43 minutes ago, vintage1953 said: .(showing .orf files as only icons, for instance) That's a function of the operating system, not AP. Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintage1953 Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Yes, you can open the AF file and, carry on - but you don't know what settings you used last time, as they all appear at their default. If you are experimenting (as I am) with different ways of sharpening, sorting the colours (only one on offer?) by white balance tint, etc. you can't tell what you did last time. And, Yes, I appreciate that Affinity doesn't know how to display an .ORF file just because Windows 10 doesn't . But with other programs (Silkypix, On1, DXO) you can display the folder contents in the workspace, and see your file to work on. Not the end of the world, but irritating. Comparing RAW editors is the route to madness, and the answer is probably to go with the one you just like using, or irritates you the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, vintage1953 said: Comparing RAW editors is the route to madness, and the answer is probably to go with the one you just like using, or irritates you the least. + 1 And the Best Camera is either the one you know how to use or the one you have with you. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 On 11/5/2018 at 7:17 PM, vintage1953 said: I appreciate that Affinity doesn't know how to display an .ORF file just because Windows 10 doesn't . For my ORF files, Win10 is not a problem - they show content and not just icons. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.5.5.2636 (Retail) Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.4317. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.4317. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintage1953 Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Changing the original post a bit but... I'd like to see my .ORF files in Windows Explorer, Photos, or anything Windows. Nikon NEF is not a problem. Could it be model dependent - I have E-M 10 MKII. For me Windows just shows an icon, and Photo etc refuses to open it - "file not recognised or broken". Hence when navigating to find an image with Affinity, I have to go by the file number, or right click open in reverse from (excellent) Fast Stone Image Viewer which has no trouble with them. Mystery, to me, is if FSIV has the codec why doesn't Windows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintage1953 Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 52 minutes ago, Pšenda said: For my ORF files, Win10 is not a problem - they show content and not just icons. Changing the original post a bit but... I'd like to see my .ORF files in Windows Explorer, Photos, or anything Windows. Nikon NEF is not a problem. Could it be model dependent - I have E-M 10 MKII. For me Windows just shows an icon, and Photo etc refuses to open it - "file not recognised or broken". Hence when navigating to find an image with Affinity, I have to go by the file number, or right click open in reverse from (excellent) Fast Stone Image Viewer which has no trouble with them. Mystery, to me, is if FSIV has the codec why doesn't Windows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSG Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 28 minutes ago, vintage1953 said: Mystery, to me, is if FSIV has the codec why doesn't Windows? FSIV is probably displaying an embedded jpeg thumbnail. I can see thumbnails of E-M10 MkII files in Explorer - I use the FastPictureViewer codec pack, which seems to handle any RAW file I throw at it! Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, vintage1953 said: I'd like to see my .ORF files in Windows Explorer, Photos, or anything Windows. Nikon NEF is not a problem. Could it be model dependent - I have E-M 10 MKII. For me Windows just shows an icon, and Photo etc refuses to open it - "file not recognised or broken". Well some companies like Nikon and Canon offer (and continously update for their new cams) their own Codecs for Windows and once you've installed that one Windows is capable of handling the respective cam vendors RAW files in Explorer or any Windows based Preview and Photo app. Microsoft itself had in the past (2014/15) had an own cam Codec pack for Windows, but afterwards didn't updated that one for new cam models of vendors, so that it is now older and mostly outdated for newer cam models. - However, I don't know if Olympus has or offers some sort of own Windows codec, as I'am first of all a Nikonian. 1 hour ago, vintage1953 said: Mystery, to me, is if FSIV has the codec why doesn't Windows? Well FSIV does spend time, money and effort into an own codec which they sell for Windows, so they somehow do benefit from the fact that MS for Windows does no longer offer any actual up to date own codec for free. Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 8 hours ago, vintage1953 said: I have E-M 10 MKII. I have E-510 and E-M5 MkII. In Explorer, in Open dialog (APh) - not problem, any kodec, only Win10. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.5.5.2636 (Retail) Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.4317. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.4317. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSG Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 8 hours ago, v_kyr said: Well FSIV does spend time, money and effort into an own codec which they sell for Windows Can you post a link for that, please - I couldn't find anything on their web site. Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintage1953 Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 58 minutes ago, Pšenda said: I have E-510 and E-M5 MkII. In Explorer, in Open dialog (APh) - not problem, any kodec, only Win10. I have downloaded FastPictureViewer Codec pack. Installed it and it works! http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/codecs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, IanSG said: Can you post a link for that, please - I couldn't find anything on their web site. See the FastPictureViewer Codec pack Link @vintage1953 showed above. Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 hours ago, v_kyr said: See the FastPictureViewer Codec pack Link @vintage1953 showed above. From that link: Quote (*) Due to technical limitations currently imposed by Microsoft for their WinRT platform, the FastPictureViewer Codec Pack decoders are not exposed to "Metro" aka "Modern" aka "Windows Store" applications at this time, as they elected to block non-Microsoft codecs for those apps. So what if anything does that mean for Windows users who bought Affinity Photo from the Windows Store instead of from the Affinity Store? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSG Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 7 hours ago, v_kyr said: See the FastPictureViewer Codec pack Link @vintage1953 showed above. So, not the FastStone Image Viewer codec Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSG Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 3 hours ago, R C-R said: So what if anything does that mean for Windows users who bought Affinity Photo from the Windows Store instead of from the Affinity Store? Nothing that I can see - the extra codec(s) just enable Windows Explorer to display RAW files as thumbnails (or icons as Windows calls them). AP then uses Explorer, regardless of whether it's the Affinity or MS store version. Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, IanSG said: So, not the FastStone Image Viewer codec No, it seems not to be the same product and the FastStone Image Viewer is a different one and might be instead based on other RAW file supporting code, maybe something like DCRaw or the like, there are several different solutions nowadays which RAW converters and the like are code wise based on. Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintage1953 Posted November 8, 2018 Author Share Posted November 8, 2018 Well, I'm pleased I started this even if only to find out about that codec that does make my life slightly easier. Thanks to all posters. Back to the original post - RAW settings. The other downside for me is not being able to save ALL the raw settings and then paste them to another image. That is how I start out with a set taken for a panorama in my current RAW converter. Can't do that in AP (yet). These things are "on the roadmap". Can I wait? Dunno.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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