mac_heibu Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 May be, I am confused at the moment … Is there a way to show the bounding boxes (frames) of elements like rectangles images, …, when they are not selected – just as it is possible for text frames or empty picture frames? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted October 29, 2018 Staff Share Posted October 29, 2018 Hi mac_heibu, No, there's no way to display the bounding box for other objects. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac_heibu Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 Ups! And if a rectangle is white or transparent, we can‘t find it visually on the page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted October 29, 2018 Staff Share Posted October 29, 2018 You can always select it in the Layers panel. Publisher doesn't have an Outline View mode as Designer. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Rübsamen Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Hm, InDesign shows such frames in the color of the layer. Assume there are many pages with several objects on the page, it is not suitable to identify such elements in the layers panel. How should we identify empty frames? How should we layout something, if we cannot see the frame edges? It seems no good habit to give everything a fill color and remove that later. PaoloT, mac_heibu, wlk and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michail Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 The search effort for such elements in the Layers panel is not very large, because the displayed layers always refer to the current page. How often and for what purpose do you use objects without fill and contour attributes?! Nevertheless, the cursor should signal when it is over such an element. By the way: I always press Ctrl+A to find out if there are invisible elements on a page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Kai Rübsamen said: How should we layout something, if we cannot see the frame edges If Snapping is enable and Show Snapping Candidates is on then you should be able to "see" the invisible elements on the page so you can layout stuff as desired. Snapping can be switched on/off with the ; key (on Windows) NotMyFault 1 Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Rübsamen Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 This snapping works. How often do I use elements with no attributes: I never do use attributes at a first glance. Cause a visible bounding box is a basic element in InDesign since version 1.0, I’m wondering why such basic things are not possible (also why have guides no flexible colors or bleeds are simply grey). To select everything with cmd+A or hover over regions, where a element might be … really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Kai Rübsamen said: I never do use attributes at a first glance. I'm curious about that, probably due to my lack of experience. Why are you usually creating shapes (rectangles, circles, etc.) without stroke or fill? What use are they when they're invisible? Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 13 hours ago, Kai Rübsamen said: not suitable to identify such elements When you select them in the layers palette they are selected on the page, which results in handles and possibly an outline to show where they are. If you really work this way often you might want to name the layers as you go to make them easier to identify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac_heibu Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 Why looking for excuses? Never met a layout/graphics application, which hasn’t an option to identify every(!) element on the canvas at one glance without taking further actions (select all, Layers panel, …). No problem, if it isn’t built in for now. But it is an important feature to consider in future releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michail Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 51 minutes ago, mac_heibu said: Why looking for excuses? Never met a layout/graphics application, which hasn’t an option to identify every(!) element on the canvas at one glance without taking further actions (select all, Layers panel, …). No problem, if it isn’t built in for now. But it is an important feature to consider in future releases. The contributions are not excuses, but attempts to help you. What you want has become clear, and hopefully it has reached the right people mac_heibu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac_heibu Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 You are right, @Michail! I should have said „workarounds“ instead of“excuses“. Blame it to my suboptimal English knowledge! Michail 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Rübsamen Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 10 hours ago, fde101 said: When you select them in the layers palette they are selected on the page, which results in handles and possibly an outline to show where they are. If you really work this way often you might want to name the layers as you go to make them easier to identify. That’s the point. Assume you have 20 frames and they are all named (Rectangle) it would not be possible to select the right one. So renaming everything would be helpful, but also time consuming. What is the purpose of creating frames and giving them no fill or stroke? Well, I didn’t say, that I would give them later such attributes or maybe put a picture in them, but I do not want to be limited with the standard-formatting (e.g. a light grey for everything). In my opinion it should work as in InDesign: 1. Normal or layout mode: You see invisibles (white space characters), guides, bounding boxes of every frames 2. Preview Mode: You see your final result that would be printed, without invisibles, guides and bounding boxes As mac_heibu described, this is what we learned 10 or 15 years from other layout programs. Allthough it is good, not to clone everything from other programs, this is something that I expect as InDesign-Trainer with experience of 20 years how visibilty of elements should work in Publisher too. It seems no good habit to me, to identify something in the layers panel or rename 20 frames to identify later one ;-). In the end, people would not move from InDesign to Publisher or even start with Publisher as their first app, if there is a another new cool feature, but think of usability and handling. Just my 2 cent, but displaying frame edges, colorizing guides, moving guides to a layer and distinguish between horizontal or vertical guides, magnetical columns guides, these are things that are pretty done in InDesign and hopefully come to Publisher as well. wlk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/30/2018 at 7:26 AM, Kai Rübsamen said: InDesign shows such frames in the color of the layer As does QuarkXPress; Affinity Publisher doesn't support that type of layer yet but crossing fingers they will also do this when support for global layers gets added later on. 22 hours ago, Michail said: How often and for what purpose do you use objects without fill and contour attributes?! This is what has me puzzled too. I can see that for text and graphics frames that are serving as placeholders for other content, but those frames can be visible already. For non-content objects what purpose do they serve if they are not visible? Just create them when they are needed then this concern goes away. 21 minutes ago, Kai Rübsamen said: maybe put a picture in them Empty picture frames do have a visible frame, as do text frames (when Show Text Flow is enabled in the View menu). You could try converting the rectangles to picture frames to make them visible, but it doesn't look like you can convert them back (which seems to me to be an omission). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac_heibu Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just look at this example, and you may see, that missing frame edges may lead to faulty layouts and prints: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michail Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 55 minutes ago, Kai Rübsamen said: 2. Preview Mode: You see your final result that would be printed, without invisibles, guides and bounding boxes Use Ctrl+Shift+W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michail Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, mac_heibu said: Just look at this example, and you may see, that missing frame edges may lead to faulty layouts and prints: This is a bad example because this cannot happen with frames without fill and contour attributes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Michail said: bad example It's an even worse example considering that it is a text frame and you can turn on visible frames for those (Show Text Flow in the View menu). Michail 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac_heibu Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 Really can‘t understand these arguments. Perhaps I want no transparent box for different reasons (coloured background for example), then these minimal crops can happen very easy — especially if you are un a hurry And this may happen as well, if such a frame slightly overlaps another image frame. And above all: Why introducing such layout pitfalls for unexperienced users or for users, who are in a hurry? I think, I have to revert my opinion from „workaround“ to „excuses“. But forget this thread. If you think it is ok, it may be so. I am free, to use the app, or not. I bet, you‘d change your mind, if you ever create and set a 160 + page magazine under heavy time pressure … wlk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michail Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 @mac_heibu Once again: You are free to wish for missing functions, and I support it! Only your example was a bit unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Agreed. I'm not arguing that supporting the display of those frames as an option would be a bad or even undesirable thing, just trying to point out some alternatives and other ways of approaching tasks that are less impacted by the fact that it is not available now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medical Officer Bones Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Create a picture frame, place a cut-out image (PNG) in it with a transparent background. Double-click the image to decide on a crop. Result: invisible frame borders make it impossible to move the subject in relation to the borders without trial and error. If this is intended behaviour and no option exists to display the invisible bounding box other than forcing matters by applying an actual border stroke, I would tag this as missing functionality, and possibly a workflow killer. Let's hope the developers realize that this is a 'somewhat' odd missing option, and will see the error of their ways, or perhaps they just haven't gotten around to add this view option. We're still talking beta here, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, Medical Officer Bones said: Create a picture frame, place a cut-out image (PNG) in it with a transparent background. Double-click the image to decide on a crop. Result: invisible frame borders make it impossible to move the subject in relation to the borders without trial and error. I am not seeing this sort of behaviour I can see the PNG outlined in blue I can see the frames Borders in blue too. Try to single tap to get the frames borders. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medical Officer Bones Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 30 minutes ago, Old Bruce said: I am not seeing this sort of behaviour I can see the PNG outlined in blue I can see the frames Borders in blue too. Try to single tap to get the frames borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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