4711 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 this applies especially to the develop persona where I see no way to enlarge the canvas: If I rotate (straighten) an image, the corners lie outside the canvas and are hidden. Therefore I can't position the crop rectangle to the maximum possible area. Anything I'm missing or doing wrong? Is there a way to limit the crop rectangle to the image area so I can push it to the exact borders / to get most of my image a.g. if I straighten a tited horizon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted October 29, 2018 Staff Share Posted October 29, 2018 Hi 4711, Welcome to Affinity Forums There's no way to enlarge the canvas in Develop Persona. The only way I see to achieve what you want is going to Lens panel and adjust the scale slider before performing the crop. Currently there's no automated function to crop to either maximum image size (included transparent parts after straitening the image) or to just the opaque parts. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4711 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 that's disappointing. Doesn't seem to be a complicated feature but a time saver for the user. I don't want to fiddle to position the crop boundaries to the right position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Why not just overly enlarge the canvas in the Develop Persona using the Crop Tool, click the develop button then crop the image again once in the Photo Persona, as all 4 corners should now be visible after the rotation Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4711 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 Carl, is this a suggestion directed to Serif or to me? If the latter: MEB wrote "There's no way to enlarge the canvas in Develop Persona". And there is still the "limit crop rect to image area" issue. My suggestions: automatically enlarge the canvas according to the rotation to make the whole image visible. add a switch to limit the crop rectangle to the image area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 As far as I am aware you can enlarge the canvas in the Develop Persona using the crop tool. Just drag the crop boundaries outwards Unless this is a Windows only function and does not work on a Mac Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted October 29, 2018 Staff Share Posted October 29, 2018 Hi 4711, carl123 suggestion does allow you to enlarge the canvas in Develop Persona. I forgot about it sorry. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4711 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 although I can drag the crop boundaries outwards the canvas, I don't see any image contents there so it doesn't help. Cant do find the image boundary blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 See my first post in this thread, have you tried that? Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted October 29, 2018 Staff Share Posted October 29, 2018 Hi 4711, Yes, it's a little limited currently. You can always crop in Photo Persona after developing the image where you have more control over the canvas. I know there's improvements to the Crop Tool coming but at this point I don't know if they cover the points you are raising. Photo Beta 1.7 should be available in a couple weeks so we don't have to wait much longer to find out. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 5 hours ago, 4711 said: although I can drag the crop boundaries outwards the canvas, I don't see any image contents there so it doesn't help. Cant do find the image boundary blind. Maybe I am misunderstood something, but I am not quite sure what you mean by this -- obviously, if you enlarge the canvas to a size larger than the image, there will not be any image content in the added area. But as long as that area is large enough to include all of the image content after rotation, why is that a problem? As @MEB said, you can crop the developed image after development in the Photo Persona. All you really need to do "blind" in the Develop Persona is drag out the boundaries enough for that, so just drag it out to sufficiently larger than the image, up to twice the diagonal for extreme rotations, & you should be fine. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, R C-R said: Maybe I am misunderstood something, but I am not quite sure what you mean by this -- obviously, if you enlarge the canvas to a size larger than the image, there will not be any image content in the added area. But as long as that area is large enough to include all of the image content after rotation, why is that a problem? As @MEB said, you can crop the developed image after development in the Photo Persona. All you really need to do "blind" in the Develop Persona is drag out the boundaries enough for that, so just drag it out to sufficiently larger than the image, up to twice the diagonal for extreme rotations, & you should be fine. I too have no idea where the problem is. I thought I was missing something obvious. 6 hours ago, carl123 said: Why not just overly enlarge the canvas in the Develop Persona using the Crop Tool, click the develop button then crop the image again once in the Photo Persona, as all 4 corners should now be visible after the rotation All sorts of replies after this one which really does answer the 'problem'. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 If you straighten image with crop tool in Develop mode, you can make canvas bigger but you cannot see the parts outside original crop until you release the crop tool. If you select crop tool again, parts outside original crop disappear again. I understand this may be stupid looking work flow. Usually this does not matter anyway as you either fill empty area with inpainting brush and crop after that, or if you need tilted image let there be some extra white space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Fixx said: If you straighten image with crop tool in Develop mode, you can make canvas bigger but you cannot see the parts outside original crop until you release the crop tool. Maybe it is different for the Windows version but this is not true for the Mac one. It may be necessary to zoom out to see the new limits of the expanded crop box, but there is nothing preventing seeing the entirety of the image within that larger crop box as you drag it out, including before releasing the crop box handle. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, R C-R said: Maybe it is different for the Windows version but this is not true for the Mac one I do not know about windows version but this is how it looks in mac version: Corners are not visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 55 minutes ago, Fixx said: Corners are not visible. Yes, because you either straightened or rotated the image while still in the Develop Persona. But as @carl123 suggested, as long as you have enlarged the crop box enough, after you have clicked the develop button, you can see all four corners, & then (in the Photo Persona) use the Crop Tool again to straighten or rotate it. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 hours ago, R C-R said: after That is not what my post was about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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