Ruler origin editing

[MAUSSIMI]

By changing the origin of the rule with the pages facing each other, we should have the zero point on each page by default?

[A_B_C]

Why would you want to have this? 

[Patrick Connor]

I have moved this to the feature requests section, as the current behaviour is by design.

[MikeW]

7 minutes ago, A_B_C said:

Why would you want to have this? 

I have no idea about why the OP desires this...but for myself?

Because if I have an element on a right-hand page, I want to know its X/Y values in relation to the page it is on. As it is now, APub treats a facing page as always from the top left of the left-hand page. This shouldn't be...and indeed is unlike any other software I use. So for me the procedure to determine where an element is on a right-hand page is to first drag the ruler origin to the right-hand top-left corner to see those values.

Else I need to add/subtract the values reported in the Transform panel to arrive at where such an element is located. This is a dumb idea (ruler origins only at the top left of a page for a facing page document. Like every other layout software that exists, the rulers should zero at the intersection of a right-hand facing page and increment from there.

If/when APub ever gets any sort of automation, be it JavaScript or something akin to tagged text, the present system is going to be a right pita.

[A_B_C]

Maybe I got the OP’s intention wrong, but I was under the impression that he or she wants to have two independent origin points on a spread, one for each page. I didn’t have the impression he or she was talking about the default position of the origin point. 

I would wholeheartedly agree that the default spread origin should be at the top left of the right page on a spread.

[MikeW]

2 minutes ago, A_B_C said:

Maybe I got the OP’s intention wrong, but I was under the impression that he or she wants to have two independent origin points on a spread, one for each page. I didn’t have the impression he or she was talking about the default position of the origin point. 

I would wholeheartedly agree that the default spread origin should be at the top left of the right page on a spread.

Yep...I think so about the OP's intention as well. But perhaps unclear as to how it would work and be valuable.

I also think the net effect would be the same. If there was a new zero point at the spread intersection, there would be the possibility of two (or more) ruler origin points.

However, if Serif makes each page have a ruler origin point, and if Serif made the customary ruler intersection be the dragging point instead of what I see as a hack for changing the ruler origin, half of this is moot.

[MAUSSIMI]

That's exactly what I meant: every page must have a point of origin of the rule to have the position x y elements from point 0 on this page

[A_B_C]

But isn’t the page logic different, when you have facing pages, at least in book typography? Wouldn’t you want to measure from the binding edge? For creating books, I would be content if the ruler origin would default to the top of the binding edge, but I understand that one could make good use of two ruler origins in other use cases. Maybe a document-related preference would make sense.

[MikeW]

5 hours ago, A_B_C said:

But isn’t the page logic different, when you have facing pages, at least in book typography? Wouldn’t you want to measure from the binding edge? For creating books, I would be content if the ruler origin would default to the top of the binding edge, but I understand that one could make good use of two ruler origins in other use cases. Maybe a document-related preference would make sense.

In book automation, coordinates are top-left of the page whether facing pages or not--and that includes whenever we get the ability to stack more than two-pages side by side.

Every single other layout application (and even design software) has the zero-point at the top left (sometimes bottom-left depending upon how one orients the rulers). There is zero good reason to have rulers the way they are in APub, and there is a whole bunch of reasons why this method is a bad idea.

I've never seen the zero point being in the middle of a spread. What would happen once we can stack pages beside each other for say a book cover using three or more pages? Where would the zero point be?

This simply needs fixed properly.

 

[A_B_C]

I fear this thread got me confused from the beginning. You and MAUSSIMI are completely right. What I meant with defaulting the ruler origin to the middle of the spread is this: I think there is a certain advantage to move the ruler origin to the binding edge, when you start your design with creating some sort of design grid or guides system for your spreads.

[Fixx]

9 hours ago, A_B_C said:

a certain advantage

Yes, it makes creating mirrored designs in facing pages easier.