Mirko1978 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Hi, First of all kudos for Affinity Publisher. For a first Beta, it's absolutely impressive. One feature that I really need in order to consider replacing Quark and InDesign with Affinity Publisher is the integration with Antidote (https://www.antidote.info) – and I'm pretty sure that many users who work regularly with french text will agree. Is anything planned? Thx nomi02118, aleclerc, PaoloT and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas-B Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I totally agree with this. I work daily with Antidote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomi02118 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Agree 1000%! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettm30 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I just stumbled onto this thread, and I am happy to see fellow Antidote users in this forum. I suspect we are a rather small minority, so I never even bothered mentioning it as a feature request. Although I don’t feel right claiming this is a “must have” feature, for my own work, I don’t know what I would do without it. I think the impetus for integration rests more with Druide than it does with Serif (although it would surely require Serif’s cooperation). On the Antidote website, they do invite this kind of feedback: Quote If you would like us to integrate Antidote with other software, please contact us. They may not be interested in integrating with a beta, but once Affinity Publisher goes public, I do intend to contact them. Here’s the link for anyone interested: https://www.antidote.info/en/contact (English) https://www.antidote.info/fr/contact (French) PaoloT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freid Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin-M Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Hi dear Publishers! Any news regarding Antidote integration? Since Affinity Publisher went public, I beleive Antidote to be a must-have, since it would benefit both English and French publishers! Let's face it: who can publish a book without this kind of integration? That's why I'm reviving this post. I contacted the Druite/Antidote team, and they suggest contacting the Affinity Team first. A first step made the Affinity team seems to be a prerequisite to start the Antidote integration! Let's keep this request alive, so that hope remains! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettm30 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:02 AM, Martin-M said: I contacted the Druite/Antidote team, and they suggest contacting the Affinity Team first. In fact Druide has reached out to Serif, and Druide does seem eager to make compatibility a reality. For example: In that thread, they were invited to continue discussions via email, but we do note that TonyB ("Top Cat") said: On 5/3/2019 at 7:25 AM, TonyB said: I have put it on the official list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex de Kyburg Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Hi, mai 2022... still no Antidote integration in Affinity Publisher? nicomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 2 hours ago, LondonSquirrel said: It's not the best example of a sentence for improving your writing. 😁 I think this is a better example, if not the best example, from the same site. Made me think I had had a stroke. "After spelling and grammar, correct typography and style, including repetitions and dull verbs." Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Poor copywriting on their website aside, the application itself is indispensable to many folks who write and publish in both English and French. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss it just because you’ve never heard of it and their website copywriting leaves a lot to be desired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 The original topic of this thread was concerning the request for Antidote support in the Affinity products. I’m not sure how the Antidote marketing copy is relevant to that request. FWIW Antidote already supports the Adobe apps. If Serif really are “the next generation of professional publishing software” (their marketing copy) integrations such as these are essential for many folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 I’m sure everyone here has a list of features that they consider more important than many of the features that you feel are essential. Anyway, once again I’m regretting that I bothered to engage with this ‘community’. Ciao! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloT Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Bryan Rieger - Inactive said: Anyway, once again I’m regretting that I bothered to engage with this ‘community’. Ciao! The community is fine. Some members, in particular if specialized in trolling, can find an excellent place in the Ignore list. Paolo kenmcd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettm30 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Hi all, Not that any defense of Antidote is really necessary in the context of an Affinity forum, but I have found Antidote so very helpful over the years that I feel it worth a little time to put in my “two cents” on its behalf. First, it may be helpful to know that French is Antidote’s forte, and in fact it supported French only until English was added more recently. It seems that most of us (if not all) who are asking for integration are using it for French. Despite Druide’s very hard work, it may be that their English side has not yet come to the same level of maturity, though from what I have seen there is tremendous value in even the English side. Knowing that this software starts with French can also explain the nature of the text on the website, as it almost certainly started in French (and translations, for those who do not know, can often read like translations, depending on the skill of the translator and how freely he is permitted to amend the text for the benefit target language). For example, the sentence Old Bruce pointed out makes more sense to me in its French original: “Après l’orthographe et la grammaire, corrigez la typographie et le style, dont les répétitions et les verbes ternes.” The problem is with the use of the word “correct” in English, and that brings me to the point of what Antidote is and what it is not. The Antidote corrector* is a tool and a resource, but it is not an editor. It helps identify numerous errors of the sort that computer programs can be good at: think not only spell-check but things such as conjugations and agreement, both of which are more complex in French than in English and so mistakes are easy to make and overlook in proofreading. These kinds of mistakes are not corrected by spell-check alone but are something that computer software can be good at. What people in this thread have drawn attention to are matters of style, and there, it is harder to make software do a good job. Antidote does offer tools of style, such as identifying repetitions, excessive passive voice, etc., but it can’t really tell you whether a sentence reads correctly. That is where human editors come in. *(The corrector is only part of Antidote. Not to forget that the value of the resource side of Antidote is massive and replaces multiple expensive printed volumes on several grammatical, lexical, and stylistic matters, but the integration with Affinity mostly has to do with the corrector.) Let’s return to the problem sentence identified by Old Bruce: Quote After spelling and grammar, correct typography and style, including repetitions and dull verbs. As a computer program, Antidote could understand that as a perfectly grammatical sentence. But as humans, we find it awkward because of the ambiguity of the word “correct,” which is spelled identically as either an adjective or as a verb (here as a 2nd person imperative). If it is an adjective, it has this meaning: After spelling and grammar, typography and style that are correct, including repetitions and dull verbs. If that is the meaning, then there is no verb in the sentence. As our mind goes along, it encounters a hiccup of understanding where it may well be inclined to first parse “correct” as an adjective and then stumble with an incomplete sentence and have to back up and try again by understanding “correct” as a verb: After spelling and grammar, make corrections to typography and style, including repetitions and dull verbs. Indeed, the French original makes clear that “correct” is to be understood as a verb, for in this case there is no ambiguity between “typographie et style corrects” and “corrigez la typographie et le style.” So in this case, a less literal translation would aid in removing the ambiguity for the sake of readability, and Antidote can serve as a helpful resource, but only to a skilled editor who knows how and when to use it as such. But now, if I may return the discussion to how Affinity relates to Antidote: it is admitted that those who use both Antidote and Affinity (especially Publisher) are comparatively few, and so it makes sense that we could not, in my view, reasonably expect Serif to go to great lengths to specifically accommodate Antidote. But that is not really what we need. Instead, we need and are asking for some general framework by which third-party integrations may be made possible. That could be with a plugin system, or it could even be with scripting (which, as you know, has been one of the longtime hot requests), so long as it is built in such a way that it can call external scripts and receive their results. This thread about Antidote really only represents one specific use case for a general framework where countless niche requirements among the many various use cases could be met. kenmcd, PaoloT and Alex de Kyburg 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, garrettm30 said: Indeed, the French original makes clear that “correct” is to be understood as a verb, for in this case there is no ambiguity between “typographie et style corrects” and “corrigez la typographie et le style.” So in this case, a less literal translation would aid in removing the ambiguity for the sake of readability In this case, a more literal translation would have been helpful. If they had written “correct the typography and the style”, the inclusion of the definite articles would have made it perfectly clear that “correct” is to be understood as a verb. garrettm30 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettm30 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Alfred said: In this case, a more literal translation would have been helpful. Quite right, and thank you for pointing it out. I always enjoy your comments on language, even those you label as “pedantry” (or perhaps especially those). Alfred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex de Kyburg Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Wow! What a strange way to answer to my question... 🙃 Yes, Antidote started with french speaking Canadian people! And I do mostly use french versions of apps (when possible). So, the équation is not about the english speaking people juge the way Antidote's website is like in english, but simply IF THE TEXTS typed in Photo, Designer and Publisher would SOMEDAY be open to be analysed WITHIN the apps WITHOUT HAVING TO BE COPY-PASTED in TextEdit. 😵💫 Spécial thanks to garrettm30, who seems to be the one who anderstands what my équation is about. P.S. This was written without the help of Antidote nor any IA... 🤪 garrettm30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 39 minutes ago, Alex de Kyburg said: french speaking Canadian people I'll just follow up - as a non-French-speaking user who doesn't even live in Canada, I'm asking Serif not to favor narrow user groups over others, and to leave the stated requirements until the functionalities are added or bugs are removed that will be appreciated by "all" users or at least most of them. Thank you. PaulEC 1 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex de Kyburg Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 😅 Antidote has been developped by "french speaking Canadian people"... but is used by THOUSANDS of french writing people ALL OVER the world... 💐 PaoloT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloT Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Pšenda said: as a non-French-speaking user who doesn't even live in Canada, I'm asking Serif not to favor narrow user groups over others 2 hours ago, Alex de Kyburg said: 😅 Antidote has been developped by "french speaking Canadian people"... but is used by THOUSANDS of french writing people ALL OVER the world... 💐 As a non-French speaking Canadian, not even living in Canada, I make heavy use of Antidote, a fundamental tool for linguists. So I would ask not to favor the opinion of pedantic people not even understanding what they are fighting against. Paolo garrettm30, Pšenda, AlainP and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, PaoloT said: As a non-French speaking Canadian, not even living in Canada, I make heavy use of Antidote, a fundamental tool for linguists. So I would ask not to favor the opinion of pedantic people not even understanding what they are fighting against. As a primarily English speaking British-Canadian who relies on Antidote each and everyday (both in Canada and the UK, for English and French), I can't agree with @PaoloT more strongly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex de Kyburg Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Gosh! I’m sorry that my question led to such a partisan controversy. That wasn’t my point. I was just wondering if Connectix would soon provide to the Affinity suite an integration equivalent to those for Scrivener, TextEdit, Pages, Mail and Keynote... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlainP Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I agree with you that integration of Antidote would really be a plus to the Affinity Suite. I've been using it for years, mostly in French, but also in English. It's an invaluable tool for documents creation and correction. It's really more powerful and useful in French documents but does a decent work in English. But like all these tools you need to have quite a good knowledge of the language and its grammar. Reading some useless posts here... reminds me why I don't use this forum as I used to. PaoloT 1 Quote -- Window 11 - 32 gb - Intel I7 - 8700 - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 -- iPad Pro 2020 - 12,9 - 256 gb - Apple Pencil 2 -- iPad 9th gen 256 gb - Apple Pencil 1 -- Macbook Air 15" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloT Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, AlainP said: Reading some useless posts here... reminds me why I don't use this forum as I used to. The Ignore function is unfortunately a bit hidden. You can reach it by touching the avatar of the annoying member. The forum becomes a lot cleaner after that. Paolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettm30 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Thank you for your comments. I would like to suggest this minor tip in regard to what you said here: On 7/28/2022 at 9:23 AM, Alex de Kyburg said: WITHOUT HAVING TO BE COPY-PASTED in TextEdit. Pasting into TextEdit is one extra step than needed. You need only copy from Publisher (or from wherever) and then use the “Copy corrected text” command (or its shortcut) from Antidote’s menu bar menu. I guess it depends on which platform you are, but this is what I am referring to (from Druide’s manual): Quote In Windows, the Connectix Agent can be found in the notification area, next to the clock. On a Mac, it is in the menu bar. In both platforms, it is represented by a small Antidote flask icon. It’s still a big difference from the integration we are asking for, but maybe one fewer step will help until better things come along. And for those that seem to think we are asking for Serif to cater to a niche group, please understand we are not really asking for Serif to provide Antidote integration but rather a general API for third-party integration, so Druide can do their part, as they have already indicated they are willing to do. This way, many different niche and not-so-niche needs can be met while Serif moves on to other things. Alex de Kyburg, PaoloT and Old Bruce 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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