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Exactly the point I was trying to make. I'm continuing to use Pageplus for the present time until Affinity Publisher has footnotes, which is a shame as I like what they have done so far.

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Yes, the Serif Team does agreat job but important things like footnotes, anchoring pictures, and. . . are missing.
I hope that everything will be implemented in the final version. Otherwise the Publisher is for me not professionally usable.

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1 hour ago, ernie-f said:

Otherwise the Publisher is for me not professionally usable.

Then don't use it.

The affinity team has already said that the footnotes will not make it into the first release of Publisher.

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1 hour ago, ernie-f said:

I hope that everything will be implemented in the final version.

We all hope that.

Ver 1.7 will not have this feature. Serif have not said what features will be in 1.8 or other updates to 1.X. I would rather not think about a "final version" ... that feels very far off for this fledgling product.


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@Patrick Connor

Thank you for your honest reply.

Naturally, Serif would like for their product to be successful. But you can also imagine how desperate many people are for there to be an affordable alternative to the Adobe suite of apps and their onerous subscription pay model. This, in concert with Apple forcing migration to all 64-bit apps in the next 6-9 months, has many freelance designers and small creative agencies, who have been clinging to the last available perpetual license to the Adobe suite (CS6) for as long as possible, in a mild state of panic.

It may be more than Serif can deliver on within the year, but I, and I suspect many creatives, are desperately clinging to the hope that Serif will provide the escape route from having one's work and finances trapped by Adobe and their subscription model for "renting" tools. It's no mean feat, but means achieving feature parity with the Adobe suite, and breaking through Adobe's virtual monopoly enforced by an "industry standard" proprietary file format.

All of my hopes and best wishes are with Serif and their ability to pull this off.

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Late to the party, but not because not needed here. I just noticed the one thing missing in a paper I did over from InDesign.

I wonder if Endnotes wouldn't be the easier implementation, and thus something that could avoid reviewer criticism on this point, for first release success?

An elegant program...thank you.

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Of course beeing able to setup Footnotes, Endnotes, Sidenotes and lists of abbreviations, figures, formulars ... etc. in a flexible customizable manner is something a DTP software should Ideally be able to deal with. - I don't know how the former Win times PagePlus handled those things, but if it supported those things in a quite acceptable manner here, then just reuse parts and principles from that one.

 


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3 minutes ago, v_kyr said:

but if it supported those things in a quite acceptable manner here, then just reuse parts and principles from that one.

My impression is they could try to reuse principles, but as the code is entirely different (and in a different programming language, I think) they could not reuse any of the code. And while the principles might be useful in writing the new code, it would have to be a completely new design and implementation.


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54 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

My impression is they could try to reuse principles, but as the code is entirely different (and in a different programming language, I think) they could not reuse any of the code.

Nah I pretty much doubt they started everything absolutely from scratch here. For sure they reuse algorithms, datastructures and thus some code/design parts etc. Also in term of the used programming languages there isn't much difference under the hood here for something like a backend.

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Affinity is mainly written in C++ with the Mac version front-end written in Objective C. ...

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PagePlus is primarily written in C++ using Visual Studio 2008, with a heavy dependence on the MFC framework. The Windows GDI library was discarded early in development in favour of an in-house composition engine supporting advanced bitmap and typeface operations. The text engine supports Unicode text entry. ...

Only for the adaption/reusage of very OS specific system related API and OS service parts you have to keep care of certain different platform aspects. From what I've seen on the net even many frontend UI parts look quite the same or similar for the older Serif software and the Affinity line.


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On 9/3/2018 at 4:40 PM, Mike Perry said:

I would, however, agree with those who'd like to see footnotes handled in a more powerful way. Untangling Tolkien, my day-by-day chronology of Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings was done in Framemaker, which allowed me create the equivalent of footnotes for references to the source in LOTR in a sidebar alongside the text to which it applies. That worked far better than bottom of the page footnotes or endnotes. I can't do that in ID.

+1 for footnotes and endnotes.

I think "sidenotes" are solved now by adding the new feature -> pinned objects.


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On 9/15/2018 at 12:54 PM, Peter Kahrel said:

> Visit any university library and you'll find that endnotes replaced footnotes long ago, perhaps in the 1950s.

Complete nonsense. Academic publishers prefer footnotes.

> In the era before computers, endnotes were far easier to typeset.

Footnotes are more practical. You can find the explanation of the marked text on the bottom of the page instead of searching through the book while keeping your finger(s) between pages waiting for the next endnote to come. :)


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On 9/16/2018 at 3:38 PM, Seneca said:

Exactly. I don't want to scout for footnotes somewhere else in the book, particularly, where there are many of them.

Footnotes are always at the bottom of the page and endnotes are on the end of the chapter, story or book.


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On 2/26/2019 at 7:49 PM, Bhikkhu Pesala said:

Almost, but not quite. Endnotes are placed at the end of the story, while footnotes are placed at the bottom of the text frame. PagePlus has both. The option to place footnotes immediately after the end of the text before a page break, or at the end of the story has been a feature request for many years.

What about "paragraphnotes"? A kind of footnotes but just bellow the paragraph where the marked word is?


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I would like:

  1. selecting all footnotes (or endnotes) by CTRL + A for reapplying text styles (like in Word.  ID and QXP don't have this feature);
  2. spaning footnotes across columns;
  3. continuing long footnotes to the next page.

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8 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

selecting all footnotes (or endnotes) by CTRL + A for reapplying text styles (like in Word.  ID and QXP don't have this feature);

Hi @Petar Petrenko, I'm sure you know there reason why there is no CTRL (Command) + A for that.

Footnotes are styled, so as soon as you update the style of a footnote all footnotes are restyled (updated).

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3 minutes ago, Seneca said:

Hi @Petar Petrenko, I'm sure you know there reason why there is no CTRL (Command) + A for that.

Footnotes are styled, so as soon as you update the style of a footnote all footnotes are restyled (updated).

In many cases there is a need to update a style.


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On 2/26/2019 at 12:58 PM, ernie-f said:

Without footnotes, I don't have a chance to do some of my commissioned work. See picture.

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I would only ever use TeXLive for such work.

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And why You would do this in Tex? An grphic orientant workflow with live control is in m.o. the better way. There is no only one thing to do – there are many, so the workflow for a new and modern publishing app may be so easy as possible.

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On 5/1/2019 at 6:06 AM, Petar Petrenko said:

What about "paragraphnotes"? A kind of footnotes but just bellow the paragraph where the marked word is?

I'm all for popupnotes that simply pop up in a little tooltip-like box when you hover over the marking, but sadly I haven't seen any products that could make those work in print yet.  They seem to be restricted to digital media for the time being.

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15 hours ago, fde101 said:

I'm all for popupnotes that simply pop up in a little tooltip-like box when you hover over the marking, but sadly I haven't seen any products that could make those work in print yet.  They seem to be restricted to digital media for the time being.

Pop-up notes are only for digital media. They can't be printed on paper.


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On 2/26/2019 at 10:46 PM, ernie-f said:

Yes, the Serif Team does agreat job but important things like footnotes, anchoring pictures, and. . . are missing.
I hope that everything will be implemented in the final version. Otherwise the Publisher is for me not professionally usable.

Well, I use it already professionally (though it is recommended not to, yet)... but, it's true, I don't need footnotes in my books.
But, if I really had to get stuff to place down a page, I would simply create few more Master Pages including these needed spaces and do the rest of the job manually. Yes, maybe you have tones of references to lay down there... then, of course, it is harsh to handle too much.

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