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Improvements to spot inks are needed (swatches, export)

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Overall Publisher seems to have many features. But their workflow with spots inks is pretty weak or simply don't work. I know Affinity just released the first beta; indeed, this is just the time to request this.

Many proffessional works are done with spot inks (maybe a background hard to print in CMYK, maybe they need a rich orange/green/blue ink). Also the little works, due to be cheap using only two spot inks instead of full CMYK.

Things to be implemented or improved:

- We need a more streamlined workflow with spot inks. Currently it's a pain. We don't have a way to see all current colours of the document (spot inks or any other color); we can only have the option to create a custom palette wich don't works with spot inks (it converts your spot inks to color space document colors -CMYK in my case-). Currently, the most easy way to see your document spot inks it's export to PDF and open your exported file with Acrobat Proffessional. 

- We need overprint control. This is a must.

- Object styles don't export when you use spot inks.

- Publisher considers spot inks as "unsupported features" when you export PDF. This converts all you vector works (external documents placed) with spot inks to images, even with PDFX 3 preset. Disabling "convert to image unsupported features" allows to export your linked vector files with spot inks.

- Publisher don't recognize AI, EPS colours, spot inks or CMYK. Tested with Illustrator 8 files.

Things to be implemented in future updates:

- Ink preview options will be very appreciated. Specially overprint and ink separations (just as Indesign and Illustrator).

Sorry for any misspell, i'm not a native english speaker. BTW there's some spanish bugs, i will report them when fully translated betas are released.

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I agree about the color and spot inks. I think the Swatches palette is the wrong function. It should be showing swatches in your document only. What it is currently showing are Swatch Books which should be a different palette like with Adobe. Then you can move a swatch into your document.

Note that you can see which swatches are in your document in the Swatch palette's popup menu - choose Document.

The Affinity color swatches that are there aren't very useful in a print environment either. Since you're working in CMYK, the swatch breakdowns should be in CMYK when you view them in list view. They don't though, they are in HSL.

Then there doesn't appear to be a way to move a swatch from one of the swatch books into the document swatches.

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On 8/30/2018 at 4:51 PM, Jeremy Bohn said:

The Affinity color swatches that are there aren't very useful in a print environment either. Since you're working in CMYK, the swatch breakdowns should be in CMYK when you view them in list view. They don't though, they are in HSL.

Then there doesn't appear to be a way to move a swatch from one of the swatch books into the document swatches.

 

If you are working in CMYK, i.e. with the colour sliders set to CMYK then when you add a colour to a swatches pallette it will appear as CMYK in list view, likewise if your colour pallete is set to HSL, e.g. when displaying the colour wheel or the sliders as HSL, then colours added to a swatch will display as HSL in list view...

If you select a colour from one of the swatch books, then select the custom swatch palette that you'd like to add the colour to, you can then click the on the Colour Tab drop down (top right) and add the selected colour to your swatch. A bit long winded and not the best implementation. It would be nice to simply be able to right click a colour in a swatch book and be given the option to select which custom swatch to add this colour to...

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My document is using CMYK and the colors palette is still showing an HSL breakdown. I don't see an option in the Palette to change the mode. Shouldn't it just use the same mode as the document?

However, it's still backwards. There should be a separate palette for Swatch Books and a separate one for Document Swatches.

Swatch Books are where you look up colors - so there would be Pantone ones, then a CMYK swatch book and an RGB and HSL one as well.

Only the swatches that you are using in your document would be in the Swatches palette then. I don't need to see all those color swatches all the time. I just want to find ones I need, move them to my document and then close the palette.

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You can select from a variety of colour palette formats, e.g. the colour sliders can display CMYK, RGB, RGB HEX, HSL, LAB and Greyscale, the colour wheel and boxes options use HSL, regardless of your document colour format... and depending on which you have selected, this determines how a colour added to a swatch will appear in list view so for example if you select the CMYK sliders as your colour palette option then colours added to a swatch library will appear in CMYK, if you have the HSL sliders selected, added colours appear as HSL in list view and so on...

But I agree, I think the colour palettes need a big overhaul as they are less than intuitive and there are so many things that could be improved... There is an option to make a colour palette from the colours used within the document itself, so this sort of gives you what you want, though after the event rather than dragging colours from say the pantone swatches to their own colour palette which you might want to do if following certain brand guidelines. But if you want to delete colours from a colour palette you have to laboriously do that one by one and accept each... there ideally needs to be the option to ctrl click multiple colours or a delete all colours option.

Having said that for some weird reason whether you have CMYK or Pantone colours within a document using the create palette from document option displays the colours in the newly created palette using LAB so no logic there... Clearly if you've used say specific Pantone colours and you then use the create palette from document you want the colours to be shown as their respective Pantone colours in your new palette otherwise it makes no sense.

There also seems to be a bug in APub which means that you can't delete colour palettes once created.

Anyway, I'm hoping for a big overhaul of colour management when the V2's start appearing, though it would be nice to see some improvements before then...

 

 

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I would also hope that when you import a file, say an EPS, that contains Pantone or other solid ink colors, it would automatically add them to your document's swatch palette.

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Sadly not currently it would seem. If you add Pantone colours to a file in AD then it does add these colours to the AD document palette, however it labels them Global Colour 1, Global Colour 2 and so on rather than by the Pantone name which isn't very helpful. Saving the file out to a .eps and placing the .eps in APub doesn't currently add anything to the APub document colour palette.

I'd like to see the colours added to the document palette using the correct name, otherwise it is a little unhelpful and likewise as you say, adding an .eps file that to APub should add the colours used to the document palette and name them correctly whether CMYK or Pantone.

Not sure if this has been added to the list of feature requests?


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Agreed. This is a "don't fix what isn't broken" area. To the extent they legally can, they should mimic the different panel types and behaviors in InDesign, when it comes to working with Pantone swatches and the like. Not talking about the Cloud stuff, just the basic panel types (one for books, one for the custom set you're using in the current document, etc). Also would be nice if in the book panel or wherever we have to choose from, a text search field that auto-completes so we can just type in the number of the swatch instead of scrolling and scanning.

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1 hour ago, Cineman said:

Agreed. This is a "don't fix what isn't broken" area. To the extent they legally can, they should mimic the different panel types and behaviors in InDesign, when it comes to working with Pantone swatches and the like. Not talking about the Cloud stuff, just the basic panel types (one for books, one for the custom set you're using in the current document, etc). Also would be nice if in the book panel or wherever we have to choose from, a text search field that auto-completes so we can just type in the number of the swatch instead of scrolling and scanning.

There is a search field at the bottom of the spot color palettes.


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4 hours ago, Hangman said:

Sadly not currently it would seem. If you add Pantone colours to a file in AD then it does add these colours to the AD document palette, however it labels them Global Colour 1, Global Colour 2 and so on rather than by the Pantone name which isn't very helpful. Saving the file out to a .eps and placing the .eps in APub doesn't currently add anything to the APub document colour palette.

I'd like to see the colours added to the document palette using the correct name, otherwise it is a little unhelpful and likewise as you say, adding an .eps file that to APub should add the colours used to the document palette and name them correctly whether CMYK or Pantone.

Not sure if this has been added to the list of feature requests?

Trust me, I have mentioned the naming thing. It's been requested. You can choose to Edit color, copy the name, choose rename and paste the proper name in. The proper name does hit a PDF export regardless.

As regards EPS, they are exported as CMYK if I recall. So no spot color in an EPS from Affinity applications.


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18 minutes ago, MikeW said:

Three is a search field at the bottom of the spot color palettes.

Found it. Man that is really easy to miss / not obvious enough. They need to brighten that field outline or something. Or do what most devs do: make room at the top of the panel for it. I think that's where most people look first. I do, anyway. That matters less than making it easier to see though. Right now its boundaries are way too subtle / blend in too much.

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+1 – I'd like to have a clear and concise way of checking the colors in the document as well as quickly change them from spot to process. Also a separation preview would be helpful with checking overprint and spot color plates.

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It is a must for .eps files with Spot colours to import those colours to the document, and not change them to CMYK breakdown.

If you work with clients that have all their assets (logos etc) in Illustrator eps format, then it is a must that the colours that are defined in those files, be they spot or global, get transferred to the Publisher document. Then if you need to output the file with the spot colours they should then separate to their own plate for printing.

Sadly Affinity Designer also doesn't honour imported eps files with spot colours, so it seems an Application wide problem.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this will be implemented soon.

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One potential way to address a few of these concerns would be to allow multiple copies of the swatches panel to be opened at once (then you could have one with the document colors, one with the pantone colors...)

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