Nilla's Photography Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Hi, My RAW files don't have as good an output to jpg using AP as when I use Adobe PS Elements Editor. I'm sure it's because when I open a RAW file in Adobe, it auto applies adjustments. I've applied many adjustments to try and get the same result but still my flames are burnt out in AP and the whole image doesn't look as good as the Adobe jpg. File DSC_1488b1 is with Adobe File DSC_1488w1 is with AP Any ideas? Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSG Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 That's quite a difference! Can you provide a link to the RAW file, please? Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilla's Photography Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 Yes it is and why I'm posting this question - thanks for your help. Like I've mentioned in another thread, I really don't like PP at all and do the bare minimal only - I've spent hours on this image trying to get the same results and researching why I can't seem to get similar results as Elements. The RAW file is 25.9MB. I've not shared my RAW files before and I'm not on the Cloud (and don't want to be), so what's the best way to share this file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSG Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 When you reply there's a paperclip icon with a link at the bottom left of the text box . Test.txt Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilla's Photography Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 Ok, thanks - shared. DSC_1488.NEF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AffinityFran Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Here's where I quickly managed to get (with settings). In a nutshell, because of the extreme contrast of the source you need to get those highlights down and bring out the shadow detail - exactly what the shadows and highlights section is for. As soon as you try to adjust by exposure you'll blow it all out. A nudge up on the brightness helps bring out some of the dark to mid tones without blowing out the highlights. I needed to drop the saturation down a little as it got very orange, and a little clarity helped with the pop. This is with the developer assistant auto-applying a tone curve (lazy!). Hope that helps, and fantastic image! Nilla's Photography 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilla's Photography Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 Wow! Thank you and I'm amazed you were able to replicate the auto function. I have a lot to learn about PP and AF - like I said, I really do not like playing around in PP. Thank you for your feedback - not bad for handheld, no flash, and loads of movement. :-) Thank you so much again - very much appreciated. AffinityFran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnobelix Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I also played something with development. @AffinityFran has described the path of development. My settings as follows.: Disable the Assistant Manager. Exposure + 0.3% Contrast + 3% Clarity + 25% The remaining settings, see the screenshot. Cheers Nilla's Photography 1 Quote Affinity Photo 2.4: Affinity Photo 1.10.6: Affinity Designer 2.4: Affinity Designer 1.10.6: Affinity Publisher 2.4: Affinity Publisher 1.10.6: Windows 11 Pro (Version 23H2 Build (22631.3447) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilla's Photography Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 @Gnobelix Many thanks! That also looks great - do you guys want to edit all my photos for me, ha, ha? :-) I've built a new website (not live yet) to replace my 7-year old site and have to re-select photos and edit once more - I'll have around 4 to 500 images. The photos I edited whilst travelling in South America and randomly uploading in internet cafes, aren't up to scratch, so have a lot of work. I didn't even know about the Assistant Manager, so reading up on this also now. I'll have a go at reproducing this image again taking into consideration both of your suggestions. Thanks again @Gnobelix and @AffinityFran for your guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilla's Photography Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 @Gnobelix and @AffinityFran Just on editing images, what is the best persona to edit a RAW file or a jpg in AP? I've watched countless hours of differing opinions, plus many Affinity tutorials and still not sure. Like I said, I don't want to spend an age editing one image as I have many to do: 60+ countries with around 10-20 images for each country to sort out, for my travel photography site. I've read also that many professionals use the Document>Colour Format=>Lab (16 bit) function for many adjustments then convert back to the image's original colour format. Is this the best method of approach, or? Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnobelix Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Hello Nilla, for the editing of JPG is in my opinion Photo Persona the first choice and RAW file in Develop Persona. The special features of LAB mean that you control the luminosity completely independent of the color components in channels A and B. This offers a number of advantages that other color models do not have. The independence of the B-channel can also be used well in practice: For example, you can work out the often problematic shades of green from leaves without affecting other colors. But, in the LAB there is a risk that you get out of the RGB color gamut and as a result, the colors are cropped and thus changed when converting the image back to the RGB mode. The Lab color gamut is larger than the RGB color gamut Cheers Quote Affinity Photo 2.4: Affinity Photo 1.10.6: Affinity Designer 2.4: Affinity Designer 1.10.6: Affinity Publisher 2.4: Affinity Publisher 1.10.6: Windows 11 Pro (Version 23H2 Build (22631.3447) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Rostron Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 13 hours ago, Gnobelix said: for the editing of JPG is in my opinion Photo Persona the first choice and RAW file in Develop Persona For RAW files in Affinity, the Develop Persona is the only option! It is possible to edit a non-RAW file (such as JPG) in the Develop Persona, but you need to explicitly choose to do so. By and large you do not need to and the Photo Persona (the default) is the way to go. LAB is only available in the Photo Persona. John Quote Windows 10, Affinity Photo 1.10.5 Designer 1.10.5 and Publisher 1.10.5 (mainly Photo), now ex-Adobe CC CPU: AMD A6-3670. RAM: 16 GB DDR3 @ 666MHz, Graphics: 2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 630 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilla's Photography Posted September 2, 2018 Author Share Posted September 2, 2018 Thank you once again @Gnobelix and also @John Rostron for the great advice. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilla's Photography Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 I have another RAW file from this series with vastly contrasting fire to subject and can't seem to get any detail out of the fire. I've tried what we did for my previous image above, but not sure if this one is not salvageable. Any help would be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSG Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Can you provide a link to the RAW file, please? Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilla's Photography Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 Hi @IanSG I've attached the file and thank you. DSC_1473.NEF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AffinityFran Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I couldn't resist taking a peek. Quick tip - in the develop module, if you pull down the exposure, and you keep pulling it down and still there's no details in the highlights and it's just a flat block you have indeed unfortunately blown out the highlights when you took the shot. Not surprising really given the lighting and the subject matter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilla's Photography Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 Thanks @AffinityFran - love your passion! I'll check it out and thanks for the tip - keep pulling my hair out with this PP and will soon need a wig! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSG Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 It looks like the highlights are completely blown out, so I can only think of two options - live with it, or cheat! You could try cloning some flames from another image and replacing the blown out areas - there's a useful video here. Quote AP, AD & APub user, running Win10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilla's Photography Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 Wow, @IanSG powerful tool but I'm not into creating/cloning my images, so will live with it and select another image instead. Thanks again for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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