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13 hours ago, theGoff said:

Absolutely must have picas or the program is worthless. What's so difficult to understand here?

Right. Still not on any feature roadmap, Serif!

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On 8/30/2018 at 8:02 PM, MikeW said:

Oh, Kip. It's only a bug if it were available but didn't work in some fashion.

Is not being able to have greater than 2 pages in a horizontal spread like in ID a bug also?

The maximum is 10 pages. ;)

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51 minutes ago, Burny said:

The maximum is 10 pages. ;)

I was referring to APub's current limitation. 


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@hum3

Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums :) 

You (and the many others here ) may be pleased to hear that we are currently internally testing picas as a new Affinity unit type. It may take a few iterations to implement perfectly, but soon enough should be what the contributors here are hoping for. It should be available in the next APub beta release due later this week, let us know if it works for you.


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7 hours ago, Patrick Connor said:

@hum3

Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums :) 

You (and the many others here ) may be pleased to hear that we are currently internally testing picas as a new Affinity unit type. It may take a few iterations to implement perfectly, but soon enough should be what the contributors here are hoping for. It should be available in the next APub beta release due later this week, let us know if it works for you.

Hooray!!!!!!   You Affinities are superb!!!!!!!!!!!!


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On 28. September 2018 at 11:05 AM, deleted.185456 said:

technology […] couldn't change the cultures of the nations world wide

the bad news: it does every single nanosecond … and it brings more disadvantages than advantages [Joseph Weizenbaum]

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On 9/28/2018 at 10:05 AM, deleted.185456 said:

Developing software dosen't mean to operate over the modification of all lenguage and typographic cultures, I'm sure about; technology could chande the world but couldn't change the cultures of the nations world wide.

Great explanation, thank you. Sad that something so basic had to be explained to Affinity's developers. Clearly they need lots more input from potential users. To produce a program that professionals will want to adopt Affinity needs a better understanding of the job their software will be used for.

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On 9/28/2018 at 2:25 PM, deleted.185456 said:

That technolgy could seen to change the cultures of the nations is due to the absolute absence of true culture in people who are convinced of this.

That technolgy cannot change culture(s) is the opinion of some people that are no scientists.

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4 hours ago, tjpanda said:

Great explanation, thank you. Sad that something so basic had to be explained to Affinity's developers. Clearly they need lots more input from potential users. To produce a program that professionals will want to adopt Affinity needs a better understanding of the job their software will be used for.

Nothing sad about this at all.  The developers have already responded to our many requests about picas and have announced (see above) that this measurement option will be included in the next public Publisher beta.   In my book they are CHAMPIONS at responding to input from potential users.  I cannot think of any other entity (business, professions, government) that has been this genuinely attuned to its target population as the Affinity developers.  Nor, I might add, as courteous and as helpful.  As for me, I am not a potential user.  I am lined up and ready to be first in line to purchase this addition to their Affinity group, if humanly possible.  


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1 hour ago, jmwellborn said:

CHAMPIONS at responding to input from potential users

Yep, but sometimes it needs much time to get green light. ;) better late than never

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1 hour ago, Oval said:

Yep, but sometimes it needs much time to get green light. ;) better late than never

They are working on so many things right now.  Old adage:  Patience is a virtue.   Modern variant.  Virtue is its own reward.   


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1 hour ago, jmwellborn said:

so many things right now / Patience

Won!            good excuses for minimum requirements that have been forgotten since the beginning  ;-)

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Thank you SO MUCH  for the picas!!!!!  But unless I am a blithering idiot, we still need a little help here.  Unless one views at about 400% magnification, the rulers show picas in strange increments (i.e. 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 24).   For example, 12 picas are followed by three tiny little bars (which apparently represent 12p6, 13p and 13p6, and then by a taller bar that actually represents 14 picas.   To be really useful, we need each pica in 3 segments (12p, 12p3, 12p6, 12p9, 13p, 13p3, 13p6, 13p9) etc.  Each set of 4 increments of a single pica needs to be separated by a taller bar on the ruler.   Otherwise we are going to be working with our noses about 3 inches from the computer screen. 

I am also going to add a new topic in the Suggestions section about rulers and Guide.   

Even so, I am so very happy about the picas, and am sure there must be thousands of others who will be too.   Thank you again!!!! 


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Ah ha!!!   Just fiddled around with 400% magnification and dragging guides, and have discovered that the picas are actually broken into extremely small units.  But just try settling on 12 picas.  You get 11.p.10.4472.  24 picas is 23.p.10/7172.   Etc.  What????  Hel'l'l'l'l'l'l'll'p!!!!


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9 minutes ago, jmwellborn said:

Ah ha!!!   Just fiddled around with 400% magnification and dragging guides, and have discovered that the picas are actually broken into extremely small units.  But just try settling on 12 picas.  You get 11.p.10.4472.  24 picas is 23.p.10/7172.   Etc.  What????  Hel'l'l'l'l'l'l'll'p!!!!

It is fiddly but I could get it done quite easily, I do think this should be improved though. Do you have snapping on?


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13 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

It is fiddly but I could get it done quite easily, I do think this should be improved though. Do you have snapping on?

No.  "Enable snapping" is not checked.  But "Icon and text" do have checkmarks beside the little arrow and magnet icons in the toolbar.


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I don't quite understand what you mean so I'll just go ahead and guess (probably wrongly). 

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Try with this ( and of course unlock the guides, I just noticed I have them locked here in this picture)

 


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36 minutes ago, j_sandb said:

 

Any plans on adding Cicero to the measurements?
This would help out an continental European a lot. :)

Not sure if you're being serious. And, definitely not an expert, but for whatever it may be worth, Wikipedia says:

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Cicero (and the points derived from cicero) was used in the early days of typography in continental Europe. In modern times, all computers use pica (and the points derived from pica) as font size measurement – alongside millimeters in countries using the metric system – for line length and paper size measurement.

 


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17 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Not sure if you're being serious. And, definitely not an expert, but for whatever it may be worth, Wikipedia says:

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Cicero (and the points derived from cicero) was used in the early days of typography in continental Europe. In modern times, all computers use pica (and the points derived from pica) as font size measurement – alongside millimeters in countries using the metric system – for line length and paper size measurement.

 

Actually used it recently, it‘s still used in Switzerland and Germany. :)

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