Oval Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 9:43 AM, Dazmondo77 said: ?!!?!?!?!??!??!? and ?!!?!?!?!??!??!? for comics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton King Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 There are several instances where this is important, and frankly, one of the ONLY reasons I keep InDesign around. I produce several multi-fold brochures with 7-8 panels. Each panel is a page, but can be arranged as a spread. Specific work is done in each panel, and often a single image spans all pages/folds. However, individual page size is adjusted to allow for folding space. Doing this in Designer is quite tedious and creates a much more convoluted workflow. Another example are book cover designs where front, back and spine are separate pages arranged as a spread. This is particularly helpful when the author is finalizing the book and the page count often changes, thus the spine width must also change. Again, doing this in designer is tedious and create extended workflow. The issue of export to pdf with crops, working on individual design elements and such is critical in the print publishing workflow. So second, third or 10th this request. Dazmondo77, GRAFKOM, U. Dinser and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 8/30/2018 at 3:41 PM, Dave Harris said: demark nominal pages with guides 1995 has called and wants its workaround back! In other words:+3 for multi-page spreads Jose Alvarez, kenmcd, Dazmondo77 and 3 others 1 4 1 Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reto Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Multi page is so important, for me too. Please include that in the next version. Other than that, we find Affinity Publisher a genius tool for publishing. Thank you! Clayton King and Dazmondo77 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinko Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 me too ! This and the footnotes are the only two features holding me back from dumping Adobe InDesign. Please make it happen ASAP! Dazmondo77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric DJ Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Hello ! I see several Posts about this feature and, I agree, it is a very important one : my designer girl convinced me because she uses it in Adobe's software and it is an enabler to industrialize the creation process. I am bored of such heavy applications (all the Adobe's) and pushed to get an Affinity Designer license... Now she is asking me nearly everyday why I did that choice, and only because the lack of this feature. I do not see is a recent answer from the Affinity team. Are you working on it ? Or is it at least in your backlog ? @Ash, maybe you are one of the right guys to give us a feedback ? Many thanks by advanced, and congrats for the great quality of your products, indeed ! 😊 Eric Dazmondo77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton King Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 I've posted about this elsewhere, but will reiterate here. When I'm designing a 7-panel accordion fold piece, using one large page with individual marks and guides is at best cumbersome. If the piece needs to be adjusted, or the client wants a change that requires a panel to change size, or the printer needs a panel size tweaked, this causes a huge amount of work that will likely break something else. On the other hand, if you can have a 7-page spread, and panel 3 needs to be adjusted by 1/16", it doesn't require anything more than changing the page, ensuring they're butted up together and you're done. Dazmondo77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 12:42 AM, loukash said: 1995 has called and wants its workaround back! In other words:+3 for multi-page spreads Meanwhile, I have actually figured out a pretty usable workflow for multipage spreads.If you have Designer, that is: Won't work for brochures where you need just one extra foldout spread unless you set up the complete brochure as nested artboard spreads. Unfortunately it's either spreads or artboards in Affinity documents. Cannot be mixed up. dominik and BennyD 2 Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Luxford Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 schmidt9 hits it out of the park. Yes to all the above. Thanks schmidt9 for the comprehensive list. At the moment I have long banner pages (actually long website pages) I just need to see side by side for viewing on a standard landscape monitor. But I do not wish to combine them into one spread just to do this. I have encountered many of schmidt9's examples in 25 yrs of design. Basically this is document imposition tools. Anyway, guys at Affinity, I love your work and thank you for rescuing the design community from the ransomware that Adobe became. I rave about your stuff to every designer I meet and have converted my team to it. And I, and I am sure all the others above, want it to be the giant killer we see it as. Thanks guys. I'm crossing my pinkys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 @schmidt9 As far as I see there is no "opinion of the Affinity team", just a very polite statement of facts. Considering how long it took Adobe to bring this to InDesign and that Publisher is currently at version 1.9.3, I find the fact that such big changes are not planned for version 1 anymore reasonable. My guess is that "spread options" is somewhere on the list of future features, but that things simply have to be prioritised. Be patient and use other software -- no one is forcing you to use Publisher ifnit doesn't meet your needs. I myself have two regular jobs that I still do in InDesign because no other software can do it the way I need it. Sending a feature request and giving reasons is fine, complaining is not necessary in my opinion. People from Serif read this forum and I'm sure every feature request is considered and noted down somewhere (except for proper support of 1-bit images). They'll do it when there's time for it. Bryce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Luxford Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Ahh the one bit images. There are some years of experience poking through there. Bryce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Jens Krebs said: except for proper support of 1-bit images And yet it works. If you painstakingly follow the "procedure", that is: Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinko Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 On 4/23/2021 at 6:01 PM, Clayton King said: I've posted about this elsewhere, but will reiterate here. When I'm designing a 7-panel accordion fold piece, using one large page with individual marks and guides is at best cumbersome. If the piece needs to be adjusted, or the client wants a change that requires a panel to change size, or the printer needs a panel size tweaked, this causes a huge amount of work that will likely break something else. On the other hand, if you can have a 7-page spread, and panel 3 needs to be adjusted by 1/16", it doesn't require anything more than changing the page, ensuring they're butted up together and you're done. I can totally agree. It just makes sense. Another advantage of having this feature is that you can export individual pages as PDF's for the client to review or for the printer to print (some printers want individual pages, not spreads). If all 7 pages are on a single "page" as it has to be done currently in AP that is not possible. Dazmondo77, Clayton King and kakaltanky 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethW Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 I've just come to this thread after searching Google how to do a 3-page spread. It's really disappointing that I can't do this, and such a big one too as anything requiring more than 2 pages that might need to move about is now going to be a real fiddly procedure. I really hope this becomes a thing in the not too distant future, but I guess after 3 years it doesn't look likely... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Luxford Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Yeah, there are few things that have kinda stumped me and that is one of them. I have to say I have had to do some serious rethinking about how I work and I have been often delighted and amazed by the result. I am currently using the symbols feature to do some diabolical duplication work on drawings that are 16 metres by 20 metres. Wayfinding design for a city block sized building done at 1:10 scale. It's totally nuts. Symbols are really powerful. Would it be helpful to create your pages then convert the pages to symbols to then throw around as you see fit? No it's not a three page spread but it might be a path to another way. Kind regards Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton King Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 On 7/29/2021 at 9:14 AM, Rob Luxford said: Yeah, there are few things that have kinda stumped me and that is one of them. I have to say I have had to do some serious rethinking about how I work and I have been often delighted and amazed by the result. I am currently using the symbols feature to do some diabolical duplication work on drawings that are 16 metres by 20 metres. Wayfinding design for a city block sized building done at 1:10 scale. It's totally nuts. Symbols are really powerful. Would it be helpful to create your pages then convert the pages to symbols to then throw around as you see fit? No it's not a three page spread but it might be a path to another way. Kind regards Rob What you suggest probably does have a practical application. However, I think the bigger issue, for this topic of multi-page spreads, at least, is that when designing a multifold piece (i.e., more than 3 fold), the ability to have multiple pages (panels) per spread becomes important. A simple change in paper weight can have a dramatic effect on the size of each panel. One such project I have done for a client every year is a 10 panel roll, where the center-most panel ends up being 5/16" smaller than the outer-most panel. Each panel in between is a width that allows for the roll fold. Last year they wanted heavier stock and the panels all shifted in size 1/16". So setting this up on a single spread and "marking" each panel is insanity. Hangman and Dazmondo77 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominik Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Clayton King said: One such project I have done for a client every year is a 10 panel roll, where the center-most panel ends up being 5/16" smaller than the outer-most panel. Each panel in between is a width that allows for the roll fold. Last year they wanted heavier stock and the panels all shifted in size 1/16". So setting this up on a single spread and "marking" each panel is insanity. This is an interesting real world example why multiple page spreads would be very usefull. Thank you. d. Clayton King 1 Quote Affinity Designer 1 & 2 | Affinity Photo 1 & 2 | Affinity Publisher 1 & 2 Affinity Designer 2 for iPad | Affinity Photo 2 for iPad | Affinity Publisher 2 for iPad Windows 11 64-bit - Core i7 - 16GB - Intel HD Graphics 4600 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M iPad pro 9.7" + Apple Pencil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Clayton King said: One such project I have done for a client every year is a 10 panel roll, where the center-most panel ends up being 5/16" smaller than the outer-most panel. Each panel in between is a width that allows for the roll fold. Last year they wanted heavier stock and the panels all shifted in size 1/16". So setting this up on a single spread and "marking" each panel is insanity. Yes, that's a good example. The function is unlikely to come soon, though, so workarounds are important. To that end, can you view that as a single wide page, broken into columns, where each column is the same width but the gutters vary to allow for the folding? If that works, you can lay it out using the Frame Text Tool, and the Text Frame panel: Calculate the complete width you need, including all the columns and the gutters and the right/left margins. Create a 1-page document in Publisher with that width. Draw a Text Frame that completely covers the page, and then switch to the Text Frame panel. Set the number of columns appropriately. (I used 5 in the example below, and for simplicity I omitted the right/left margins.) Set it to not link the gutters, so they can be different widths. Adjust each gutter width as appropriate using the controls in the panel. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominik Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: so workarounds are important. To that end, can you view that as a single wide page, broken into columns, where each column is the same width but the gutters vary to allow for the folding? Thanks Walt, I'm all for workarounds just as you are 🙂. And I think your suggestion is a good start. But: columns are not pages. They could be used as some kind of 'column guides' but the layout itself might need to be on seperate layers above. It very much depends on the final design, though. E.g. flowing text with headlines and pinned images could work that way. Multiple placed objects on different backgrounds would be harder to create that way. d. BennyD 1 Quote Affinity Designer 1 & 2 | Affinity Photo 1 & 2 | Affinity Publisher 1 & 2 Affinity Designer 2 for iPad | Affinity Photo 2 for iPad | Affinity Publisher 2 for iPad Windows 11 64-bit - Core i7 - 16GB - Intel HD Graphics 4600 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M iPad pro 9.7" + Apple Pencil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petar Petrenko Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Set it to not link the gutters, so they can be different widths. Publisher's feature to resize the columns with a mouse is really great. Resizing the gutter with CTRL+drag would be a very nice addition. Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, dominik said: But: columns are not pages. They could be used as some kind of 'column guides' but the layout itself might need to be on seperate layers above. It very much depends on the final design, though. E.g. flowing text with headlines and pinned images could work that way. Multiple placed objects on different backgrounds would be harder to create that way. Yes, they would be column guides for any non-text layout. dominik 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said: Publisher's feature to resize the columns with a mouse is really great. Resizing the gutter with CTRL+drag would be a very nice addition. Yes, that would be nice. Edit: Also nice: if Column Guides could have variable gutters. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Luxford Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Hi Clayton, Dominik, Walt, Loukash et al. Have a kick around of this. Typical A4 three fold example. 100, 99 and 98mm pages set on A4 trim page. Then stuffing around to make a 12 panel variant with micro adjusted pages. 1) Art on the six DL pages converted to six separate symbols in designer. (In this case crops inside the symbol) Symbol then inside its own group (to allow individual cropping). 2) Opened in Publisher. Pages in this file then arranged as per a typical client presentation and imposed for print. Then got carried away pages 5 and 6. The advantages of this technique may seem minor at first, much like grouping and copying some stuff but it is in effect like having live pages liberated from the constricts of the file definition. Pages you can selectively trim, flip, rotate and order however you like. Make micro adjustments and keep all changes localised and synchronised. Changes made to one symbol update in every instance of that symbol, so feel free to copy and arrange how you like. Duplicate symbols add little to the file size. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed solution for multiple page spreads but I think it may be a powerful work around while this limitation is in place and an interesting way to rethink pages and file definitions. I haven't checked how page numbers work in it. That would be amazing if it worked. Rob. Test.afpub kakaltanky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominik Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Rob Luxford said: Have a kick around of this. Hello @Rob Luxford, thank you for sharing. Actually this is similar to how I worked on a CD sleeve project and it worked pretty good for me. The advantage to me is that I can always work in a visually correct vertical display and still check the entire design in its context. Cheers, d. Quote Affinity Designer 1 & 2 | Affinity Photo 1 & 2 | Affinity Publisher 1 & 2 Affinity Designer 2 for iPad | Affinity Photo 2 for iPad | Affinity Publisher 2 for iPad Windows 11 64-bit - Core i7 - 16GB - Intel HD Graphics 4600 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M iPad pro 9.7" + Apple Pencil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Luxford Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Ta. Yeah, it's a bit power-usery. Saves the seasickness of the rotate page view. BennyD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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