R C-R Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 39 minutes ago, jackamus said: All that has changed is that graphic designers have had to re-learn their trade. Well, they could always go back to the drawing board ... literally. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 8/29/2018 at 9:42 AM, jackamus said: About a week after I got rid of my PC and bought a Mac mini, Serif published Affinity! This was an amazing coincidence!. After using it for a while I realised that it fell short of DrawPlus 8 in its features. It was then that I started to ask if the DP features could be included in Affinity. The rest is history as they say and I am still waiting for among others: Fitting text to a path, Cutting objects with a cutting tool, Blending colours on a path and the one I most need - applying dimensions to a drawing (i.e.engineering or architectural drawing). There was also talk of adding a perspective drawing feature similar to 'Illustrator'. However I'm now thinking of getting an PC and reinstalling DrawPlus 8. I do have a partition on my Mac with Windows installed and also DrawPlus8 but it is too cumbersome to swap between OSs. I think would be better off with a dedicated PC. You can use a few apps like Crossover and Parallels that give you access to Windows apps while still in OS X, they even do a linux version. Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Martin Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 There is a text to a path feature - I used it today. Of course, it works rather differently to what we Deepers are used to, but it is there. I'm rather coming to the conclusion that the only way to work is forget everyting you knew and work through all the Designer training videos, learn a new language and hope it proves worth the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Martin Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 AD 1.7 is for Mac only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Paul Martin said: AD 1.7 is for Mac only? No, there is also the Windows version, but they are only Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, R C-R said: Well, they could always go back to the drawing board ... literally. That's what should have happened to the programmers - they could have learnt a new language! Ideally graphic designers could have learn't programming. Somewhere the two needed to get together. Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Why do they need to be discussed in different ways to change their appearance? That's like referring to a different way to treat circles from squares or triangles etc. If I draw a shape it may or may not have a line round it depending on what I want. Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, firstdefence said: You can use a few apps like Crossover and Parallels that give you access to Windows apps while still in OS X, they even do a linux version. Already got Patallels installed so I can use DP8. firstdefence 1 Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Paul Martin said: There is a text to a path feature - I used it today. Of course, it works rather differently to what we Deepers are used to, but it is there. I'm rather coming to the conclusion that the only way to work is forget everyting you knew and work through all the Designer training videos, learn a new language and hope it proves worth the effort. That's how it has finished up! The programmers won and the artists and designers lost! Yes I know I'm showing my age (78) but wisdom comes with age! Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, jackamus said: Why do they need to be discussed in different ways to change their appearance? That's like referring to a different way to treat circles from squares or triangles etc. If I draw a shape it may or may not have a line round it depending on what I want. Yes, your shape may have a stroke. And strokes are created in a specific way using the Context Menu or the Stroke Panel or the Color Panel. It could also have a line around it, drawn using the Pen Tool or the Pencil Tool, which will behave differently since that line will comprise at least one separate object. If someone says they have a square with a line around it you may assume they mean a stroke and that you know how it was created, but you may be wrong unless they provide more details. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Yes, your shape may have a stroke. And strokes are created in a specific way using the Context Menu or the Stroke Panel or the Color Panel. It could also have a line around it, drawn using the Pen Tool or the Pencil Tool, which will behave differently since that line will comprise at least one separate object. If someone says they have a square with a line around it you may assume they mean a stroke and that you know how it was created, but you may be wrong unless they provide more details. Can you give me an example? Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 31 minutes ago, jackamus said: That's what should have happened to the programmers - they could have learnt a new language! Ideally graphic designers could have learn't programming. Somewhere the two needed to get together. Well most of us programmers learned a bunch of languages over time, but not everything survived on the market or is still in demand today. Times do change, as do the overall IT trends, be it programming or designing etc. - Further a bunch of designers nowadays learnt the one or other thing to program too, even they have another background. The same applies to some programmers which do more domain specific specialized things (maybe like graphics programming). You always need to have some fair knowledge in the domain you are working for, otherwise you can't evolve there. Programmers and designers often work hand in hand for project specific tasks, that's nothing new and was always like this, at least here in bigger monetary budget companies or for newer fashioned rebel startups etc. Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 35 minutes ago, jackamus said: That's how it has finished up! The programmers won and the artists and designers lost! LOL, no way, programmers tend to reinvent the wheel, or let's say to catch up on old long time known things and ideas, but then comes marketing and giving those old childs a new name and tries to sell it as the best new thing since sliced bread (or something like that). Many of today's approaches are in fact more old school, but instead then nicely packed in new clothes and often with sounding trendy terms. So no need to worry, you have to have a mild smile for it and stay above those things. Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 I offered Matt, years ago, a suggestion on how to include a perspective drawing feature based on my own experience as an old fashioned technical illustrator. I am familiar with the Adobe 'Illustrator' and thought it was not very intuitive. Maybe this feature is still a work in progress - I don't know. In the mean time I suggested having a box for inputting the degree of an ellipse i.e. a 1 degree ellipse would little more that a straight line and a 99 degree would be almost a circle. This way it is easy to use different size ellipse but all having the same proportion. This is important when doing technical illustration. Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, jackamus said: I offered Matt, years ago, a suggestion on how to include a perspective drawing feature based on my own experience as an old fashioned technical illustrator. I am familiar with the Adobe 'Illustrator' and thought it was not very intuitive. Maybe this feature is still a work in progress - I don't know. In the mean time I suggested having a box for inputting the degree of an ellipse i.e. a 1 degree ellipse would little more that a straight line and a 99 degree would be almost a circle. This way it is easy to use different size ellipse but all having the same proportion. This is important when doing technical illustration. Wouldn't the Pie Shape Tool do? Just make the hole radius 100% and you have an adjustable arc that you can adjust in degrees. Pie Shape Tool showing a 1º arc. Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Sorry I don't follow what you are trying to illustrate. Attached is a file explaining what I meant. Ellipse proportions.afdesign Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, jackamus said: Sorry I don't follow what you are trying to illustrate. Attached is a file explaining what I meant. Ellipse proportions.afdesign didn't click with it being ratio's, and I get the perspective thing now. I thought you were talking about degrees of arc sorry. Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, jackamus said: Attached is a file explaining what I meant. I am not sure what degrees has to do with it, but if you want to create an ellipse with a precise major to minor axis aspect ratio, you can do that easily in the Transform panel using expressions, for example by entering w*0.174 for the h value to get the 1:0.174 aspect ratio in your 10° ellipse. You don't need those lines to do that. firstdefence 1 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 When you are doing a technical illustration you may want to alter the proportion of an ellipse to fit the perspective. It is easier, as you progress the illustration, to simply increase or decrease the ellipse proportion in degrees, rather than a difficult to visualize minor axis change. This makes it easier to control the illusion of perspective particularly in an exploded view. Since an ellipse is a circle viewed at an angle it would seem sensible to show that angle as figure in degrees in the Transformation panel. firstdefence 1 Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, jackamus said: Since an ellipse is a circle viewed at an angle it would seem sensible to show that angle as figure in degrees in the Transformation panel. Ellipse or circle, it is a vector object on a two dimensional plane. The rotational angle shown in the Transform panel refers to the angular rotation on that plane, not anything viewed in a third dimension. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 I realize that but the degree can be calculated from the major and minor axis which is shown in the transform panel. This is just a trig function between the two axes. Also if a degree is entered into the degree box it D can calculate. I would also keep it simple by applying the angle to horizontal ellipses only There's no need to do the same for vertical ellipses as they can be rotated. Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 22 hours ago, jackamus said: I realize that but the degree can be calculated from the major and minor axis which is shown in the transform panel. This is just a trig function between the two axes. Also if a degree is entered into the degree box it D can calculate. I would also keep it simple by applying the angle to horizontal ellipses only There's no need to do the same for vertical ellipses as they can be rotated. OK, I see what you mean about degrees now. Since it is a trig function, you could use an expression in the Transform panel like sin(10)*w in the H field for the 10° ellipse. This is a 'universal' method that could be applied to any shape as long as its bounding box can be considered to have the equivalent of a major & a minor axis for the purpose of this kind of transformation. It also should work regardless of the rotational R value. Adding a "D" field to the Transform panel seems like a needless complication that probably would require yet another change to the native file format to store the "D" field info -- otherwise it could not be preserved when the file is saved like for the other six Transform fields, & many users probably would find that confusing or annoying. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 Thanks for understanding what I was getting at. I do see the knock-on effect having to add the Deg box to the Transform Tab and its application to all other shapes and objects. I will just have to produce my own table showing degrees based on major and minor axes. This also creates another interesting aspect from a perspective point of view. As an ellipse goes from a straight line at eye level down to a fatter ellipse at ground level, the major axis will be smaller due to perspective distance. This will produce another vertical angle between the eye level ellipse and the ground level ellipse. I would like to investigate this angular relationship to see if there is calculable. Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, jackamus said: I will just have to produce my own table showing degrees based on major and minor axes. As @R C-R has indicated, you can use an expression in the Transform panel. There is no need to produce a table. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 Sorry I didn't realize that this was something I could do in AD. Thanks. Alfred 1 Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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