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Personally, I have been having a hard time accepting AP as a replacement for PS. There is a performance issue and quality issue. 

I have attached a side-by-side example of a NEF image taken with my D750, both zoomed too 100% . The image were processed similarly, or as best I could. You can PS did a much better job, especially in regards to sharpeness.

Has anyone else done this comparison? If so, what were your results?

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It's difficult to comment without a description of the steps you took.


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20 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

It's difficult to comment without a description of the steps you took.

Understood, but let's just look at the sharpness of the image. That has nothing to do with any color adjustments I might have made...which were minimal at the time I did this screenshot.

 

EDIT: Additionally, I did not take any steps. I just opened them up and this is the result.

 

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 Here are two more. Unedited shown at 100 and 200% Again, look at the sharpness of the image, especially the hair and skin. I can't help but notice the difference in the histogram as well. Perhaps there is some "auto adjusting" happening on import though I am pretty sure I have disabled that where I could. 

I am not pleased with the sharpening results. I am a bit fan of dumping Adobe, but not if this is the quality of results I get. Buuuut, Adobe will "give" me free software if I upload and sell a certain amount on their stock contributor site. :-)

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I see what you are looking at, the focus is off. But again, without knowing the processes that where done, it is hard to give any feedback or corrective actions. Looking at your pics at 100% & 200%, I see that the histograms are completely different, kind of indicating some process took place. This could be something in either PS or Affinity that is automatic on import.

Just some thoughts.

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3 minutes ago, bumz said:

I see what you are looking at, the focus is off. But again, without knowing the processes that where done, it is hard to give any feedback or corrective actions. Looking at your pics at 100% & 200%, I see that the histograms are completely different, kind of indicating some process took place. This could be something in either PS or Affinity that is automatic on import.

Just some thoughts.

Just to be clear, it's not the focus but the clarity.

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The Affinity Photo histogram for a raw file in the Develop Persona is always compressed to the left. Serif have said that it's a side-effect of Develop using a 32-bit linear space, but have agreed it should be improved.

The sharpness/clarity could be due to Camera Raw applying some adjustments automatically that Affinity Photo is not applying. Or it could be something else. It would help to have the actual .nef file in addition to your screen shots.


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Please post a screenshot of your Affinity Photo Develop Assistant window so we can see what options you have chosen.


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Affinity have said before that they do not automatically apply any sharpness in the develop persona unlike other raw converters which do.  You should apply your own "sharpness" before leaving the develop persona.

If you have not done this, try it then compare the results again, if you have done it upload one of the raw files so others can see what they can do with it.


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Sorry, I can't share the original as it belongs to the company I work for. Regardless, having you guys work on the file to get it to look like the PS is not the point or question I had. I just wondered if you experienced these yourselves.

Since I am not in the office I can't look at what settings have automatically been applied in Adobe Raw. 

11 hours ago, carl123 said:

Affinity have said before that they do not automatically apply any sharpness in the develop persona unlike other raw converters which do.  You should apply your own "sharpness" before leaving the develop persona.

If you have not done this, try it then compare the results again, if you have done it upload one of the raw files so others can see what they can do with it.

So, by applying sharpness in AP, in theory, should bring up the image to match the PS file? I will have to try that. 

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7 minutes ago, befehr said:

So, by applying sharpness in AP, in theory, should bring up the image to match the PS file?

Yes, I think so.

My impression is that except for the automatic adjustments that you can request via the Develop Assistant (Lens Correction, Noise Correction, Tone Curve, Exposure Bias) the Affinity Photo goal is to give you an untouched raw image, leaving you with all the decisions about how the image will look when developed.

Other raw developers do more of the work automatifcally for you, I think. That might be viewed as a benefit by some, but by others might be viewed as a detriment if they wanted to see the actual image and make the decisions themselves.


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1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

Yes, I think so.

My impression is that except for the automatic adjustments that you can request via the Develop Assistant (Lens Correction, Noise Correction, Tone Curve, Exposure Bias) the Affinity Photo goal is to give you an untouched raw image, leaving you with all the decisions about how the image will look when developed.

Other raw developers do more of the work automatifcally for you, I think. That might be viewed as a benefit by some, but by others might be viewed as a detriment if they wanted to see the actual image and make the decisions themselves.

Thanks, Walt. I'll consider this and see if I can output comparable images without too much extra effort. Time is money. :-) 

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Unless Affinity Photo's RAW demosaicing is inferior to Photoshop's, the difference in sharpness that you're seeing is merely due to an unsharp mask that Adobe Camera Raw had used. Unsharp masks use a Gaussian blur to create the illusion of sharpness (true sharpness comes from either more sophisticated sharpening [use RawTherapee if you want more sophisticated sharpening], or from simply a sharper lens). 

Just enable detail refinement in Affinity Photo and mess with the sliders (be sure to adjust the radius to approximately match the lens's circle of confusion)

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As someone who's used several version of Photoshop over 7 years, though, I do have to say that Affinity Photo's detail refinement sliders are inferior to Adobe Camera Raw's. It lacks an adjustable threshold for where the sharpening is applied, hence introducing far more noise than Photoshop could otherwise avoid.

 

P.S. go to assistant manager image.png.3997fa0b6964a6c48f279733d3d5ecba.png and disable tone curves. Your image will be more bland but this gives you significantly more dynamic range to work with.

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