iMac1943 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 this is for screen printing on textile, so only in one colour (black). see the original and see what I made from it. How do I bring on the fading out black colour? Thanks all for helping me. Luc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdenby Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Hi, iMac1943 (Luc), The .png is what I call "hideously noisy and pixelated bit map art that is hell to turn to vector." If you did lots of processing, such as resampling up to maybe smooth the pixelization, running noise filters, messing w. levels or contrast, then posterizing, or applying a threshold filter, then running it thru an auto trace, the vectors would most likely still need a ton of work. And not give you a grey scale effect. So I ran the .png thru a de-noise filter, and a little gaussian blur, and the some contrast adjustment. Then used a halftone filter, once as dots, the other as lines. Combined them to see how it looked. The result is a bitmap, so it may not scale well. What did: Quote iMac 27" Retina, c. 2015: OS X 10.11.5: 3.3 GHz I c-5: 32 Gb, AMD Radeon R9 M290 2048 Mb iPad 12.9" Retina, iOS 10, 512 Gb, Apple pencil Huion WH1409 tablet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Thank you gdenby, but I need to explain my problem. I tell you a bit more about the job I'm doing. The customer often gives me a drawing on paper. I put it on the scanner. Use that as the first layer and then I start drawing on the second layer etc. Because it's always black and white I don't have many problems. File 1 is such an example. On other occasions they send me an email with an attachment, which is nearly always a jpeg (see file 2). I use the jpeg as first layer and I start drawing on the second layer. Then I print it (A3) on special chalk paper. Which then is used to make a screen. And printing on t shirts etc. You see the big difference between the first drawing and the bird. I cannot use a 30 kb jpeg image and blow it up to the size of an A3. Too much grain. So I started like this (see file 3) but I guess the customer will not like it. I think I need the possibility of a sort of painting. What is your proposal? Thank you for helping me! Luc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 My inclination would be to tackle this the other way around, starting with a filled black shape and covering it with white shapes to create the interior space. A Gaussian blur provides the fading edges. firstdefence 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Good idea! Is it possible for you to give me the several steps? Please? Luc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 There aren’t really many more steps than I mentioned in my previous post. I created several black shapes and added them together, and then placed some smaller white shapes on top; the white shapes all have a Gaussian blur filter effect applied. I’ve attached a copy of my *.afdesign file for you to play with. Bird.afdesign Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Well that’s great! You helped be a lot!!! I now can go on with my drawing. Thank you! Luc Alfred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wosven Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Hi, You can try to make custom brushes to make some fading. Here some examples with textures vector brushes (I did try with colors, but it can be done in black). Here some vector brushes: Pinceaux_Lunes.afbrushes and an example of PNG for the vector brushes: Alfred and firstdefence 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Whaw! This brings me to a level I never tried. I’ll take the time to learn using brushes. I’ll first make the drawing as alfred showed and then your solution wosven. thank you all! Luc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toltec Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 @iMac1943 My concern would be, does that sort of blurring work the way you make a screen? If you are printing to special chalk paper (I know nothing of the process) how does that translate into halftone dots for silk screening? You are designing and printing what is effectively a continuous tone grey for a process that uses big dots! (55 lpi ish). Quote Windows PCs. Photo and Designer, latest non-beta versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Halftones are not possible. It’s black or transarent. All or nothing. Inkt or no inkt. See https://www.art2silkscreen.co.uk/flatbed-tables-51-C.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 This also means you need a different screen for each colour. 5 different colours means 5 screens and then printing one above the other. in my case we print only in 1 colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toltec Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 28 minutes ago, iMac1943 said: Halftones are not possible. It’s black or transarent. All or nothing. Inkt or no inkt. That’s my point! If you blur the edges around the bird (the way Alfred or Wosven show) you are creating greys (which are halftones). How will you print them? Quote Windows PCs. Photo and Designer, latest non-beta versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Which means, back to zero...Maybe a combination of black surrounding lines plus the way gdenby is showing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 gdenby, how did you do the dots? Is it in AD or AffinityPhoto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toltec Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 I think I would experiment with using halftone dots or lines. Photo has a halftone screen filter. If it works, I would place the halftone shading on a layer behind the line art part of the bird (as below). The ‘halftone’ dots would then print as solid black dots, rather than as a halftone. It would mean a bit of trial and error as I don't know the capabilities of your printer. I have done similar things in the past but I had an imagesetter with a 2540 dpi hard dot resolution. This is a bit crude but it gives you an idea ? As I said it would need a fair bit of experimentation but it would open up some interesting possibilities ? Quote Windows PCs. Photo and Designer, latest non-beta versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Thank you toltec. In fact there are 3 things (you mentioned the capabilities of my printer): - the printer is one thing (its a HP LazerJet8150DN) - the paper (abezeta is polyester-based day light working, zero proces, dry-to-dry film for making plate-ready offset positives using a desktop computer and a laser printer.) - and the silk screen (how fine is the raster) I found a video here (that's not me, I just found it on youtube) that shows how it works: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 This is also a nice film explaining the workflow: A_B_C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdenby Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 I used Photo. I've messed around making vector half tones in Designer, but so far its meant a lot of work, and nothing as nice as what Photo does. If you do need the sharp lines, I'd suggest all vector lines. Shading would be quite hard, but the style would fit well w. the client's logo. Quote iMac 27" Retina, c. 2015: OS X 10.11.5: 3.3 GHz I c-5: 32 Gb, AMD Radeon R9 M290 2048 Mb iPad 12.9" Retina, iOS 10, 512 Gb, Apple pencil Huion WH1409 tablet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Thank you for your advice. You know, Illustrator has that facility and a while ago Affinity was thinking about having this too, but they said they had so many things on the wishlist, so it’s not for tomorrow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara72 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Hi, You could try a crosshatch effect, if you got the free Frankentoon's Texture brushes, there is a nice crosshatch brush in set C, brush FT pencil cross-hatching 02. Bring in your original png image and create a new pixel layer above, then just paint all over with the hatch brush, then add blend mode Overlay, 100% on the pixel layer, merge down and then go to the Threshold adjustment, i set it to 30% but you might want to play with the settings, the 3 main steps are shown below. Sara lepr and MEB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 well done summersara. This is what is so great in this community. I'll follow the several steps. But I cannot find the free texture brushes on Frankentoon's website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 I remember I could receive Frankentoon for free when upgrading to 1.6. I didn't downloaded these extras. Too late now I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 There a free sample pack on this page https://www.frankentoon.com/toonlab/painting-with-textures-video Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMac1943 Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 due to the ongoing Brexit negotiations ... Funny! I like that carl. I downloaded the free brushes and had a notice that they are installed in AD. Where do I find them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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