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Well, saying 3 of the main applications for graphics in linux are not usable is a bit of a flame, too, in my book. But you might not see it that way.. Also, several Linux users in this thread have made statements quite much more of the flame type, imo....

 

Didn't say they're unusable in my first post. I said that they're not adequate. That's a big difference.

 

And I do use them for certain things. For example I really like painting and drawing with Krita and the G'MIC filter for coloring artwork in Gimp is awesome.

 

I am open minded about new tools. And don't expect them to be like Adobe. I've used Pixelmator in the past (it gets the job done but doesn't have CMYK either).

 

IMO Graphics apps should have some functioning core features (like proper type handling, CMYK etc) for print designers.

 

Print will not go away in our lifetimes. No matter what they say.

 

Affinity seems very promising. That's why I bothered posting in this thread. Even though they made it explicitly clear that there will be no Linux versions.

 

Also I understand your last point. But it's not my job to look into Linux market stats. No way! Got better things to do with my time. LOL!

 

Guess that if I ever go back to Apple I'll give Affinity a spin.

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Linux? I wouldn't invest a single dime into the development of an app for this OS. Ahem - which OS? The real Linux problem is that there are too many 'distros'. If they all would unite and put their effort into one single Linux OS, it would be an OS appealing a bit more to developers of commercial (proprietary) software. 

 

By the way: Several years ago Xara ( the same request, and they delivered. However, soon after the release of the Linux version it was clear that hardly anyone was interested in it. So Xara stopped the expensive adventure.

 

My guess: The same story would happen to AP and AD.

 

Please, before you think you have to convince me or tell me about the good Linux stuff, hold your breath: I am using Linux for more than a decade by now, but definitely not for any image editing or design. 

 

Recommendation: If you want to use AP and/or AD, just invest into a Mac. It is simple as that. 


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Pixelmator is told to be great (btw, didn't know it does not handle CMYK, one extra for Krita is that it has "some" CMYK support, at least more than Gimp. But yeah, not cool the crashes with large files. I hope that eventually gets fixed). One of the many reasons I'd like to have at my work room a Mac as well (and a Linux machine. I don't enjoy anymore having a multi-boot machine and/or emulators, but I love the 3 systems, having used quite the three, I know this is not too common...) . If I don't is just to have 3 OSes to maintain and multiply by 4 my expenses, as a full time freelance am a bit in "dire mode",  but they are the only reasons.

 

IMO Graphics apps should have some functioning core features (like proper type handling, CMYK etc) for print designers.

 

 

Absolutely agreeing, specially in the CMYK matter (for me). Even with all these POD companies popping like popcorn all around. And some doing a surprisingly good job from just a sRGB file.. I have all calibrated, by hardware, but still, got impressed when sent the samples in one recent case...

 

Yeah, I know what you mean. is a matter of , " Hey, give me that at least, or I can't even work if not, can't deliver to the client... "  :/  These issues should be the very first priority if developing for a professional user base.

 

Print will not go away in our lifetimes. No matter what they say.

 

 

Very deeply wishing you are right ! Too many hours (years), blood and tears put into that as to see it disappear... (even while I am all for recycled paper and do it harmless for the ecosystem and all...). Heck, I can manage with "only" my other fields, and the web is an endless source of jobs and commissions, just IMO more changing (demands way more updating, as there you need to get a lot more into coding). The other slot to fill, if print goes away, is pure UX/UI jobs/gigs... And the UX part makes me wish I'd have picked another career, at moments...

 

Affinity seems very promising. That's why I bothered posting in this thread. Even though they made it explicitly clear that there will be no Linux versions.

 

 

Well...you never know. Yep, they've said that in several moments, but no one knows what could bring the future (maybe not even them). Just, IMO, my suspect is that this wont happen anytime soon.

 

Guess that if I ever go back to Apple I'll give Affinity a spin.

 

 

 

IMO, if working mostly as a designer (I do, but I'd say my % of work goes more with illustration ,lately) having a decent Apple machine makes a lot of sense....I can handle absolutely everything pretty well with my old Windows i7 machine , but If I deeply disliked MS (not the case, at all), no doubt I'd have a Mac instead... (and Linux if were focused in video or FX (and/or Blender), only... )


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By the way: Several years ago Xara ( the same request, and they delivered. However, soon after the release of the Linux version it was clear that hardly anyone was interested in it. So Xara stopped the expensive adventure.

 

My guess: The same story would happen to AP and AD.

 

Xara?! Seriously. That's an old can of worms you opened and it has nothing to do with selling a graphics app to Linux users.

To refresh your memory please visit: https://www.linux.com/news/lessons-learned-open-source-xaras-failure

 

Other than that. Your suggestions are noted.

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And exactly that is the problem of the multiple distro Linux community: They want everything for FREE. 

 

Who is going to issue your paycheck?


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And exactly that is the problem of the multiple distro Linux community: They want everything for FREE. 

 

Who is going to issue your paycheck?

 

The logical fallacy in your reply is amazing.

 

Paycheck?! How clever of you.

 

Lovely forum you got here Serif. You can keep it.

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Lovely forum you got here Serif. You can keep it.

 

It's just the logical reaction to the pontifications of another Linux zealot.

 

If you really want access to Affinity software - if that's your real priority - then the solution is simple: use a Windows or Mac machine.

 

But noooo, this is really about winning your little OS bigotry battle rather than actually being able to use Photo or Designer, isn't it?


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it has nothing to do with selling a graphics app to Linux users.

 

Why is that? Looks entirely relevant to me in terms of confirming the intransigence, inflexibility and intolerance of the Linux/FOSS community to anything that isn't done exactly their way...


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Can a moderator please delete my account.

 

I came here with the best of intentions to request a Linux version. I have no time to engage in this discussion further and I don't want an active account in this forum, since I do not belong in the Affinity user community.

 

There is no delete account option.

 

So thank you very much. And best of luck.

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Can a moderator please delete my account.

 

I came here with the best of intentions to request a Linux version. I have no time to engage in this discussion further and I don't want an active account in this forum, since I do not belong in the Affinity user community.

 

There is no delete account option.

 

So thank you very much. And best of luck.

I found your link to xara very interesting  :)

 

there is not actually one affinity community, just bunch of guys being more or less friendly and some have the same and some have different opinions  :)

 

your account will only get disabled not deleted as far as I've seen it so far so not sure if that helps  :ph34r:


 

 

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One can use Photoline with wine. The developers have said they would build a Linux version if enough people request one. They do actively fix any issues reported while using it under wine.

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One can use Photoline with wine. The developers have said they would build a Linux version if enough people request one. They do actively fix any issues reported while using it under wine.

 

On past evidence, I very much doubt that Serif are interested in supporting the Affinity apps running on an emulator. They have always said that their 'Plus' range of software is only supported on a Mac if run on Windows installed directly in the Boot Camp partition, not on Windows installed in a virtual environment such as VMware Fusion.


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I mean the developers of Photoline.

 

Yes, I understood that. Sorry if that wasn't clear! All I meant was that I don't see Serif following their example and offering to fix issues reported against the Affinity apps running under Wine (or any other emulator or virtual environment).


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Yes, I understood that. Sorry if that wasn't clear! All I meant was that I don't see Serif following their example and offering to fix issues reported against the Affinity apps running under Wine (or any other emulator or virtual environment).

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

Yes, I know. And even though this thread is a plea for Serif to develop for Linux, there were statements earlier about other applications lacking in this or that and oh, gee, we just have to have Serif develop for Linux. 

 

I hadn't read the entire thread and so don't know if PL was even mentioned. PL is a great alternative to PS and others on whatever the platform. Yes, it needs wine. But it is inexpensive, upgrades are in the cheap category. It's been around for ever and is one of the most actively developed applications I know of.

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...And looking at posts praising it, some time ago (not much), I went, curious freak as I am , to test PL (Again. As in its day, quite longer ago, the demo crashed constantly on me. Probably one of the typical Windows 64 bits installers and application binaries occasional issues, so, knowing it "could" have a workaround I could find, still no time to get to discover and fix the problem )...Just to realize it caused jiter when painting with the brush in a typical zoom. That together preferring Affinity's UI a ton more... The UI is not a huge issue (but definitely affects a decision), but the brush problem... For that I prefer to wait to AP and AD 1.6 improvements.


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Just imagine: After around 12 months Affinity Photo version 1.5 already left PL with version 20.2 (!) far behind...


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Just imagine: After around 12 months Affinity Photo version 1.5 already left PL with version 20.2 (!) far behind...

 

 

If you think so.

 

I've never used PhotoLine, but from the things I've read about it and the screenshots I've seen from it I would say that neither AD nor APh has come anywhere near reaching parity with PL, never mind surpassing it.


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Hi Alfred,

 

It may well lack in the painting department. I don't know. Though I haven't read too much about performance issues when so doing. I don't use PL for painting per se (nor XDP, nor ...). What little brush work in regards to a painted look I have used Art Rage and Twisted Brush.

 

For what I use it for, image manipulation mainly, it works extremely well and performance is darn good on this lowly laptop. It down right rocks on the more powerful computer. And while it processes RAW just fine, I also don't use it for that, either. But I do restore color, sharpen for print, yada yada yada...

 

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The above was used in a forum challenge. You can see how much color was gone. It was mainly some selections and adjustment layers. Point is, I know how PL works. And I use 2 other image editors as well. (And three painting applications.) There isn't one that can do it all properly and/or as well. And then there is the issue of just being familiar--and it is that last bit that is the challenge before Serif in order to win a true percentage of PS users over.

 

The point of this thread, I thought, was both begging Serif to port to Linux, and the side notes of how poorly applications are represented on Linux. And I was mainly responding to the last page or two about CMYK, etc. In that regard, PL is a great application.

 

Is PL a 1:1 replacement for APhoto? I don't know and I am not about to add yet one more image editor at this time to find out. I use what I use for client compatibility and personal preference. If and when I ever have a client using APhoto, then I'll add it.

 

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Though I personally never really used it, it is always said that PL is a strong and fast performer for all kind of image manipulations (at least on Win). The only drawbacks might be how it's UI and function namings etc. have been setup in terms of usability and L&F here (it has a slightly vintage style here).

 

Back to OT, Linux? 

 

Well it's a fine, cost friendly OS for server platforms, ideal for hosting three tiers software, webservers, application servers and databases etc. Since it's a Unix based OS it's powerful in this regard as a general server environment. It's also good to use as a common software development platform for certain Unix related things. - But it's not that much known to be the first choice platform for individual image/drawing creatives here, in terms of ease to use, the overall UI usability and things like that. What makes things sometimes difficult here for Linux and all derivates is the overall OS and desktop UIs wild groth, since there is mostly no straight clear line to follow. Also most things in the penguin world are conceptual wise mostly based on free to use software and their free usability, it's a strong used credo here. - So I'm not sure if it is an attractive market at all for software companies, who's main supporting leg are proprietary closed individual drawing software, even most of these software solutions do use internally a lot of free frameworks and libraries out of that domain.


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Also most things in the penguin world are conceptual wise mostly based on free to use software and their free usability, it's a strong used credo here. - So I'm not sure if it is an attractive market at all for software companies, who's main supporting leg are proprietary closed individual drawing software, even most of these software solutions do use internally a lot of free frameworks and libraries out of that domain.

There is that to consider. It seems to have been the sticking point in the Xara example previously mentioned -- from what little I know about it, the volunteer developer community seemed to be oblivious to what I think should be the obvious reasons why the company would not want to make its core rendering library open source.

 

It isn't just about giving it away for free what keeps the company profitable & commercially competitive, or even supporting "the" major Linux distribution -- two of which have already been mentioned in this topic, so there is not even consensus on that. It is also about what can happen when there are multiple open source versions of the core code in circulation. That can cause significant support issues, disputes about who is responsible for fixing whatever doesn't work the same across all versions, & stall the development of new features while all that gets sorted out (if it ever does).

 

So the real question here may be if there really is much of a market for a partially or completely closed source Linux version of the Affinity apps.


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There is that to consider. It seems to have been the sticking point in the Xara example previously mentioned -- from what little I know about it, the volunteer developer community seemed to be oblivious to what I think should be the obvious reasons why the company would not want to make its core rendering library open source.

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I recall that one of the overall problems with that Xara LX version was, that parts of its code had hard to resolve dependencies on certain of Xara's own and also some third party libraries and thus wasn't that good to port over and maintain at all. - Maybe it also was one of the reasons why there never appeared any Mac port of it at all.

 

Don't know if there is any software company who makes a living out of it by also selling explicite Linux versions of closed software (no open source end user software), beside some IDE and database vendors etc. which are here more affiliated with Unix as a platform hosting service/market.

 

 

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It is also about what can happen when there are multiple open source versions of the core code in circulation. That can cause significant support issues, disputes about who is responsible for fixing whatever doesn't work the same across all versions, & stall the development of new features while all that gets sorted out (if it ever does).

 

Well not necessarily as you can see by thousends of other projects, this has more to do with clearly defined rules of responsibilities and how projects are generally managed and maintained etc. Some do it more the right way and others probably not, you can see even on GitHub good structured and maintained projects in this regard.

 

However the question is more if a closed, none open source software has a chance to get a wider acceptance on Linux and if there is a market for such software at all.


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However the question is more if a closed, none open source software has a chance to get a wider acceptance on Linux and if there is a market for such software at all.

 

Keep in mind that there's already tons of closed source proprietary software on Linux now. Steam's on there with a couple thousand games on the platform already, and you can buy tons of 3D specific stuff like Maya, Modo, Mari, and even some other pieces of software that don't start with an M. The Substance suite also just released there recently too, after people begged for it for a couple of years on their forums.

 

So the question isn't whether commercial software has a place on Linux, it's whether Serif can afford the cost to do the port, and if there's enough of an audience there for their particular software to justify the attempt.

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