Renzatic Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said: Name two things which started in Linux... Desktop compositing, virtual desktops, package managers/app stores... Vex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vex Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said: I have said that there is no point in Affinity providing software for an OS with such low market share. I am rather entertained watching people go on about Linux. I've seen it all before. And your claims aren't based on a good understanding of the industry. You're welcome to your opinions, but that doesn't make you objectively right, and you're continuing to insist you're authoritative on this. Again, unless you work for Affinity and have insider info, you're not the authority. Quote The statistics show otherwise. Linux is insignificant on the desktop. Market research regarding the platforms devs are targeting tell a different story. Quote Err, I do. No, you don't. You speak about software engineering as someone who doesn't have any professional (or even hobbyist) experience. "Despite its faults, people manage to write stuff for Linux" is a pretty bad take, and suggests you have no idea what it takes to write desktop software. Quote There are merits for putting Affinity on Linux. There is almost no potential, given the market share. According to you. But you aren't the expert. You aren't the decision-maker. You're just someone on a forum who is "entertained" by making himself the center of attention. Quote And? What does that have to do with Affinity on the desktop? I'll tell you: nothing. "Nvidia doesn't care about Linux" was your claim. Except Nvidia has the crypto market captive, and a lot of miners use Linux. You need drivers for your GPU to use it for mining. Ergo, you are wrong about Nvidia not caring about Linux. They do, as evidenced by their investment into support for the same. If they didn't care, and you were the authority on this, they wouldn't do that. Whoops. Pink Floyd was right. | Windows 10 · MacOS 10.14 · Arch Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vex Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said: Er, the news? Nvidia is buying Arm... If the deal goes through. ARM is an architecture, not a specific brand, OEM, or product. lmao you're so full of it it's funny Pink Floyd was right. | Windows 10 · MacOS 10.14 · Arch Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Interactive Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, LondonSquirrel said: Now you change your argument. Linux copies from Mac and Windows, and before that UNIX. Not the other way round. No change here, but perhaps misunderstood. The entire industry has been copying "the other guy", being anyone else (not Linux specifically) since the beginning. Vex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vex Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, LondonSquirrel said: Hahaha. You are having a joke, aren't you. Desktop compositing didn't exit in Mac or PC before Linux. Neither did virtual desktops. You asked for features. These are two features which have become central to modern desktop OSes. If you don't like the examples given, that's on you. Pink Floyd was right. | Windows 10 · MacOS 10.14 · Arch Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Interactive Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said: Name two things which started in Linux... Name two reasons it matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Interactive Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonSquirrel said: Name two things which Mac or Windows have copied from Linux. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Interactive Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, LondonSquirrel said: Because you said that everyone is copying everyone else, whereas I said that Linux copies everyone else and not the other way round. It's called refuting an argument. I never made the claim they copied from Linux. So why should I defend it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vex Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, LondonSquirrel said: Nonsense! Go and look up Xerox PARC Rooms. Try again with your two examples. So far you have a 100% failure rate. I know you need to believe your narrative, and it doesn't matter what evidence anyone offers. You will insist you're right, and that you're the expert. But I think we've all gotten the message loud and clear. Nobody has been an arrogant ass about Linux in here but you. Nobody has acted as though the world revolves around them but you. It's just too bad you have some sort of compulsion to inject yourself into a discussion about which you have nothing useful to contribute. Pink Floyd was right. | Windows 10 · MacOS 10.14 · Arch Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renzatic Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, ClairelyClaire said: ARM is an architecture, not a specific brand, OEM, or product. lmao you're so full of it it's funny There is ARM Holdings, which owns the core IP and basic instruction set for the architecture. In practice, it's somewhat like a consortium, with other companies sitting on the board of directors, buying licenses to manufacture their own chips, and adding to the design. If Nvidia does buy ARM, they can't do anything to keep Apple from using and building upon their ARM chips, though Apple may be obligated to disclose any additions or tweaks they've made to it, which Nvidia and other licensees can later use for themselves. Vex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renzatic Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said: Another example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swm from 1989 had virtual desktops, two years before Linux was even released! At least try to know your argument before putting it. That's an X window manager, not an OS. ...guess which OS uses X? Vex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renzatic Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonSquirrel said: Linux is a kernel, it's not a virtual desktop provider. You really are grasping at straws now, aren't you? Vex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vex Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, LondonSquirrel said: Linux is a kernel, it's not a virtual desktop provider. We're talking about a comprehensive desktop operating system here, and you know it. Your intellectual dishonesty is stubborn, I'll give you that. Renzatic 1 Pink Floyd was right. | Windows 10 · MacOS 10.14 · Arch Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vex Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said: Another example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swm from 1989 had virtual desktops, two years before Linux was even released! At least try to know your argument before putting it. Yes, and SWM is totally what made the feature usable and mainstream enough for the big guys (Mac and Windows) to adopt it! 🙄 Pink Floyd was right. | Windows 10 · MacOS 10.14 · Arch Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vex Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Renzatic said: There is ARM Holdings, which owns the core IP and basic instruction set for the architecture. In practice, it's somewhat like a consortium, with other companies sitting on the board of directors, buying licenses to manufacture their own chips, and adding to the design. If Nvidia does buy ARM, they can't do anything to keep Apple from using and building upon their ARM chips, though Apple may be obligated to disclose any additions or tweaks they've made to it, which Nvidia and other licensees can later use for themselves. Thanks for clarifying. It'll be interesting to see how ARM evolves. Qualcomm is unbelievably possessive about their ARM IP, so Nvidia or not, there's still going to be competition. I also don't know that Nvidia is inclined to turn it into a greedy moneygrab, or if they'll go the AMD route (e.g. with AMD64) and make the spec freely available. Renzatic 1 Pink Floyd was right. | Windows 10 · MacOS 10.14 · Arch Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Interactive Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 I'm comfortable with rigorous debate, but we're not even debating about the merits of "Affinity for Linux" anymore. Renzatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aronkvh Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, B-Interactive said: we're not even debating about the merits of "Affinity for Linux" anymore. @LondonSquirrel this forum post was about the possibilities of a Linux version of Affinity software and ways to run it on Linux with WINE+ the compatibility issues, not to shit on the Linux community. I don't care how much you hate Linux and what do you think about it's users at all Please just let others discuss these issues/possibilites in our 'alternative universe'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renzatic Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, B-Interactive said: I'm comfortable with rigorous debate, but we're not even debating about the merits of "Affinity for Linux" anymore. Yup. It's pretty much turned into a usual internet argument, when the person on the losing end goes from trying to argue a point, to scrambling to look right. I mean, if he really wanted to go for the throat, he could say that all these things started out on Unix first, which were then easily ported over to Linux, which were copied by Windows, and eventually snapped up by NeXt from the 'nix scene, and later incorporated into Apple, but, you know... He's just kinda spinning his tires to kick up mud by this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aronkvh Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonSquirrel said: Agreed. My final take on this is that Affinity on Linux is a non-starter. The market is just not there. If it was there, Adobe would be there. Sadly, it seems it's not worth it for the developers because of the low market share. But I'm still looking forward if the System.NotImplementedException errors ect. will se a fix from Wine or Affinity in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aronkvh Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, LondonSquirrel said: problem in the Linux 'community'. you just won't stop will you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renzatic Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said: You could not back up anything you wrote with a single valid argument. It's not my problem, it's a general problem in the Linux 'community'. B-Interactive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aronkvh Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 and that's a feedback loop similar with ex. VR: less apps>less users>less apps and also because of the open-source, donation nature of Linux the advertisement budget (basically none) will never be comparable to Apple or Microsoft; even tough imo the product very much is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aronkvh Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonSquirrel said: Stop what? nitpicking and talking about your general frustration with Linux and it's community not at all related to this topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vex Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said: Agreed. My final take on this is that Affinity on Linux is a non-starter. The market is just not there. If it was there, Adobe would be there. And you've said this repeatedly. You aren't contributing anything, and I had to turn off notifications on this thread (and I wanted to stay updated) because you cannot stop bleating about how we're barking up a dead tree. Your opinion has been noted. It has been deemed irrelevant by those of us who care about this subject. Thanks! Pink Floyd was right. | Windows 10 · MacOS 10.14 · Arch Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapseed Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 15 hours ago, B-Interactive said: I appreciate those recommendations @Snapseed. I'll be interested to see how well Pixeluvo can handle PSD files, for my interactive development work. It's an option I'll consider in any case, because I also do a lot of photography. I do a substantial amount of photo editing, 95% of it is done purely in raw using RawTherapee, now that I've stepped away from Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw, which had been my go-to for years. I have been relying on Affinity Photo for that last 5%'ish. Things like panorama stitching, spot removal, finer localised adjustments, etc. Maybe Pixeluvo can fill that gap. My own experience is that Pixeluvo can open both PSD and DNG files. Pixeluvo can be tested as a trial application and it can be used together with other native Linux softwares like Fotoxx and Hugin to achieve the desired result. This is only my own personal view but I also find that Fotoxx is much easier to use than Gimp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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