Henry1 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Whilst using any line drawing tool (pencil, pen, or brush) the line appears pixelated whilst drawing. On lifting off the screen and finalising the line, it then gains smooth edges. Such an effect is not present in the tutorial video on using the pencil tool. This is makes drawing difficult, as it’s not possible to see where the line with begin or end. Is there a solution to this? If not, why does the video tutorial not suffer from this? 818DC9BF-60E4-4E74-9248-03D763A49B22.MOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Gabe Posted July 13, 2018 Staff Share Posted July 13, 2018 Hi @Henry1, Welcome to the forums. Can you please re-upload the video? It seems to be broken. Thanks, Gabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry1 Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 Should work now. another video attached if not 4C8A7107-0772-4954-8CD7-8873FFCF1BF6.MOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrPx Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I think this has always worked so, you paint it in raster (sort of), then it "vectorizes". I have some arcane post about it, very long ago. Indeed, IMO the issues are more in the "vectorizing" part. Quote AD, AP and APub. V1.10.6 and V2.4 Windows 10 and Windows 11. Ryzen 9 3900X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 12GB, Wacom Intuos XL, Wacom L. Eizo ColorEdge CS 2420 monitor. Windows 10 Pro. (Laptop) HP Omen 16-b1010ns 12700H, 32GB DDR5, nVidia RTX 3060 6GB + Huion Kamvas 22 pen display, Windows 11 Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry1 Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 Thanks, it could be that, but it appears the video tutorial appears not to suffer from this. Maybe it’s just not visible on the video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrPx Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I believe it also works in raster, and then it "vectorizes". Anyway, I am not familiar in any way with which improvements that might have been added in this regard in the iPad version. Could the full canvas size be affecting the quality of the initial/preview raster stroke ? Has no sense in vector based apps, but after all, that preview is in raster. I don't know if it might be related, you could test that on your end.... Quote AD, AP and APub. V1.10.6 and V2.4 Windows 10 and Windows 11. Ryzen 9 3900X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 12GB, Wacom Intuos XL, Wacom L. Eizo ColorEdge CS 2420 monitor. Windows 10 Pro. (Laptop) HP Omen 16-b1010ns 12700H, 32GB DDR5, nVidia RTX 3060 6GB + Huion Kamvas 22 pen display, Windows 11 Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdenby Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I don't have enough experience w. the iPad version yet, but in the desktop version this typically happens when there are many layers of fx being rendered. On the desktop version, I see this when I have a maybe a couple of hundred layers with various raster fx applied. For my purposes, the second or two for complete rendering haven't been a problem. Have not experienced this yet w. the iPad version, but most of my work has been rather simple. Quote iMac 27" Retina, c. 2015: OS X 10.11.5: 3.3 GHz I c-5: 32 Gb, AMD Radeon R9 M290 2048 Mb iPad 12.9" Retina, iOS 10, 512 Gb, Apple pencil Huion WH1409 tablet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 @Henry1 I think what you are seeing is normal for the Designer Pencil Tool -- in your screen recordings it looks like it is behaving the same as in the Pencil Tool video. In your second screen recording, it also looks like you have a stabilizer option enabled with a very short stabilizer length. Is this what you intended for that recording? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Gabe Posted July 16, 2018 Staff Share Posted July 16, 2018 @Henry1, That behaviour is normal. It happens in the video, but you just can't see it. The line would be "pixelated" for a split second, but it will then become sharp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred70 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I purchased Designer yesterday after reading many good reviews about it and examining its abilities and UI. I'm still pretty new to the app, and although it looks very promising, something struck me from the very beginning. As explained in this thread, the vector drawing is initially pixelated (rasterized) then converted to vector. Even if for a split second, it has a huge negative impact on the drawing experience in my view. I already have Concepts and Vectornator apps and none of them appear as such. Affinity clearly has not been able to utilize iPad's (at least iPad Pro's) full hardware resources. I think this is fixable in future updates (hopefully soon) before people like me start mentioning it in their App Store reviews. I have iPad Pro 10.5 with iOS 11.4.1 and Apple Pencil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Fred70 said: I already have Concepts and Vectornator apps and none of them appear as such. I don't have Concepts but I do have Vectornator Pro. It does the same thing as Affinity Designer but you may not notice it unless you are zoomed in far enough to see paths transition from pixelated to smoothed edged when the tool is lifted. Besides that, regarding fully using an iPad's resources, the app doesn't even provide realtime updates when you edit a path (like is shown in this video at around 1:50), just a 'ghost' outline reminiscent of 1990's era drawing apps that did the same thing because the hardware could not support on-the-fly screen rendering fast enough for that. It has some great features I wish Designer for iPad had as well, but making better use of the hardware is not among them. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred70 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 12:34 PM, R C-R said: I don't have Concepts but I do have Vectornator Pro. It does the same thing as Affinity Designer but you may not notice it unless you are zoomed in far enough to see paths transition from pixelated to smoothed edged when the tool is lifted. Besides that, regarding fully using an iPad's resources, the app doesn't even provide realtime updates when you edit a path (like is shown in this video at around 1:50), just a 'ghost' outline reminiscent of 1990's era drawing apps that did the same thing because the hardware could not support on-the-fly screen rendering fast enough for that. It has some great features I wish Designer for iPad had as well, but making better use of the hardware is not among them. I have to say even after the latest update the pixelating effect still exists, and it isn’t for “split scond” but a good second or so! ...and not only during drawing, but also reshaping. Such a lag does not exist in Vectornator at all. Affinity needs to redesign its rendering engine to address this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Dot Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I just noticed this same kind of thing in the raster brushes on the latest update for Affinity Photo on the iPad and posted about it as a bug, but maybe it’s how Affinity’s brush engine works and not a bug? Thanks for the heads up / ideas on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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