faflusniak 3 Posted February 24, 2018 Hi all, Huge gap in Affinity Photo functionality is lack of non-destructive RAW development. The best solution is to create sidecar file containing all adjustments made with RAW. Now it's not possible to do some adjustments with RAW file, close Affinity and come back to work with the same RAW later starting from previous point. In my workflow and presumably for many other photographers working with RAW covers more than 50% of total workflow. So now I can use Affinity only in the final stages of my workflow. I found some other requests for that functionality but without answer. Question to development team: when do you plan to implement non-destructive RAW development in Affinity? I hope not in 2.0 version :-) 3 Steps, InnerPeace and IOIO reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEB 6,855 Posted February 24, 2018 Hi faflusniak, Welcome to Affinity Forums Thank you for your feedback. There's already plans to implement some sort of non-destructive workflow/system for RAWs (it's not yet clear how it will be done - if using sidecar files, a live/non-destructible layer system or something else) but this is already being considered for a future version/update (no eta for this though). 1 Steps reacted to this Affinity Quick Reference | Common Feature Requests | Call for Camera Images Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faflusniak 3 Posted February 24, 2018 Thank you for quick answer. So I am waiting eagerly for nondestructive RAW development. Then I will be able to move majority of my post-processing work to Affinity. Do you publish somewhere current roadmap for Affinity Photo? I've found only topic/discussion on this forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mithferion 532 Posted February 24, 2018 7 hours ago, faflusniak said: Thank you for quick answer. So I am waiting eagerly for nondestructive RAW development. Then I will be able to move majority of my post-processing work to Affinity. Do you publish somewhere current roadmap for Affinity Photo? I've found only topic/discussion on this forum. Here are some of the planned features for the 1.x cycle. Best regards! You'll never know what you can do until you get it up as high as you can go! AMD FX 8350 :: Radeon HD 7870 :: Windows 10 :: http://mithferion.deviantart.com/ Oxygen Icons :: Free Quality Fonts :: Public Domain Pictures :: iOS 11 Design Resources :: iOS App Icon Template :: The Secret of High Quality Art Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IOIO 0 Posted November 6, 2018 Hello! Are there any good news on this topic? Thank you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEB 6,855 Posted November 6, 2018 Hi IOIO, Welcome to Affinity Forums No, not yet. Affinity Photo 1.7 Beta should be out in a couple weeks but I don't know of it includes any improvements here. Affinity Quick Reference | Common Feature Requests | Call for Camera Images Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miltrin 4 Posted November 12, 2018 Hello, I just want to say that I also look forward to this update. We waste a lot of time re-developing a photo from the beginning. Greetings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
furtonb 21 Posted November 13, 2018 +1 for this possibly a solution similar to live filters would be awesome! MBP 15" + iPad Pro 10,5" macOS High Sierra 10.13 | iOS 11 | latest Affinity Photo & Designer & Publisher Beta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hifred 92 Posted November 21, 2018 Maybe check out this poll guys. [Poll] Do you need a DAM? And what should it be like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InnerPeace 6 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/12/2018 at 11:05 AM, Miltrin said: Hello, I just want to say that I also look forward to this update. We waste a lot of time re-developing a photo from the beginning. Greetings. I'm also looking forward to this. For clarity sake this feature request involves two things: the ability to save the RAW edits. (maybe as a separate file, or embedded in the DNG one). The ability to adjust the RAW edits after you developed them The first one might be the most important one. The second one needs the first one to function in the way Photoshop has implemented this using smart objects. This works by basically referencing the original raw file + edits to they can be adjusted later on. Maybe in the future it would be nice to align the develop 'studio' to have the same or more features than Adobe Camera Raw so you could load up those sidecar files to have (roughly) the same edits. Honestly I think Photoshop's raw converter is much better (I'm sorry to admit) so I see no reason not to catch up and implement the same features. OP seems to refer to just the first feature. 1 furtonb reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hifred 92 Posted November 22, 2018 13 hours ago, InnerPeace said: The second one needs the first one to function in the way Photoshop has implemented this using smart objects. This works by basically referencing the original raw file + edits to they can be adjusted later on. This statement is not quite correct. When bringing edited RAWs into Photoshop as a Smart Object a copy of that RAW is embedded to your psd, somewhat similar to an image layer in APhoto. Just try it out - you can safely delete the input RAW file. You may return to the RAW workspace at any time to fine tune the result, if you want you can even create independent copies /alternative developments of that RAW inside the .psd (one can use Artboards in more recent versions of PS for that), in earlier versions one had to use layer comps. The input RAW file (along with its settings) remains where it was in your file system - but you can also export a .dng from Photoshop. [Poll] Do you need a DAM? And what should it be like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steps 113 Posted January 5 Wow... that all adjustments done to a RAW file are simply discarded ever since may be the most surprising thing I learned about Photo. Here is my +1 Windows 10 Pro x64 (1809). Intel Core i5-4670K @ 3.40GHz, 16 GB memory, NVidia GTX 780 Affinity Publisher Beta 1.7.0.221 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike711 0 Posted January 5 I'm new to Affinity photo, I now discover when I want to save a file after editing Raw I first need to use develop, then use a save mode., I >>>> cannot <<< save my work in develop or reload the raw file and continue editing, even if a Aphoto file is saved I never can go back to the settings I made in develop it seems. Am I doing something wrong here? Hope not!! If so, there must be a reason and maybe someone can explain me the 'normal' workflow, meaning what do you do if you have to stop editing your raw file, but aren't finished with it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steps 113 Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, Mike711 said: I >>>> cannot <<< save my work in develop or reload the raw file and continue editing, even if a Aphoto file is saved I never can go back to the settings I made in develop it seems. Am I doing something wrong here? Hope not!! No, you do nothing wrong. This is the thing the topic is all about. I do not use Photos RAW converter so I was not aware until yesterday, but: Yes, it's surprising, but true. All the things you do are lost if you develop that image. Windows 10 Pro x64 (1809). Intel Core i5-4670K @ 3.40GHz, 16 GB memory, NVidia GTX 780 Affinity Publisher Beta 1.7.0.221 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fixx 410 Posted January 6 Affinity philosophy is that "All the things you do" are not lost as they are baked into the developed version. Develop is usually quite fast operation so it is supposedly done in one go. Also, if you are interrupted, it is usually no real hassle to do it again. Photo develop is quite rough operation and you are supposed to fine tune in normal mode. While sidecar approach would give some benefits, they remain minimal as long as Affinity does not offer a cataloguing or similar solution. It is much better to have a separate RAW developer/DAM than try to use Photo RAW development in any demanding/professional work flow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike711 0 Posted January 6 Thank you, that's a weird philosophy from serif, in a 'we save everything' era. The non destructive is always mentioned as a pro and it is, but as long as you don't overwrite the original it's still there and this is not an argument not to save the Raw editing settings and make it reusable while developing the file. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steps 113 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Fixx said: Affinity philosophy is that "All the things you do" are not lost as they are baked into the developed version. You know what I mean. The exact settings done to the sliders are lost and you have a pixel layer as the result. If you go back to the Develop Persona all sliders are reset so you have no trace how exactly you ended up with the developed version. Windows 10 Pro x64 (1809). Intel Core i5-4670K @ 3.40GHz, 16 GB memory, NVidia GTX 780 Affinity Publisher Beta 1.7.0.221 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arte 17 Posted January 7 On 1/6/2019 at 12:28 PM, Steps said: You know what I mean. The exact settings done to the sliders are lost and you have a pixel layer as the result. If you go back to the Develop Persona all sliders are reset so you have no trace how exactly you ended up with the developed version. Which is why I use a dedicated RAW developer for this, also (and more importantly for me) because that is pixel editor independent so I can use whatever pixel editor is required or suitable and still have the option to use it in a different pixel editor at a later time without having to (re)export it from Affinity Photo in this case. Different people, different workflows etc. But I do agree it would be nice if the Affinity Photo RAW developer could be parametric in some way e.g. by using sidecar files to store settings for future changes of the development or even for creating variants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steps 113 Posted January 7 6 minutes ago, Arte said: Which is why I use a dedicated RAW developer for this, also (and more importantly for me) because that is pixel editor independent so I can use whatever pixel editor is required or suitable and still have the option to use it in a different pixel editor at a later time without having to (re)export it from Affinity Photo in this case. Different people, different workflows etc. But I do agree it would be nice if the Affinity Photo RAW developer could be parametric in some way e.g. by using sidecar files to store settings for future changes of the development or even for creating variants. I will stay with Canon DPP because it produces the most detailed results and also I can do cropping and rotation in a really user-friendly way there and save the result directly embedded into the CR2 file. So I never have to do that step again even if I switch one day from Photoshop to APhoto and wanting to redo a photo. Windows 10 Pro x64 (1809). Intel Core i5-4670K @ 3.40GHz, 16 GB memory, NVidia GTX 780 Affinity Publisher Beta 1.7.0.221 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zabalint 1 Posted January 14 I basically started to use Affinity for raw processing. I know that it's a Photoshop like application and not a Lightroom like application, but I found Lightroom subscription extremely expensive, especially in my country (10 dollars = 10 euros, and in addition, we have the highest VAT in Europe, it means the cheapest monthly subscription is about 14.5 dollars), while most of the free alternatives (Ratherapee, darktable, etc.) are very slow on Windows. There is one free alternative, Lightzone, which was almost good for me, but its contrast settings are too time consuming for me. Earlier I used Canon DPP, but now I have a Panasonic compact camera, and the free version of Silkypix Studio is very slow and illogical. I'm satisfied with Affinity Photo's raw development functionalities, I find it the third best after Lightroom and Canon DPP among the ones I tried, but I'm missing the feature to save raw file settings. I already saved some presets for noise reduction/details and also for lens correction, and I mostly change only basic settings for the whole image, so after all I can save and use a temporary basic presets if images are similar. I also use local adjustments, but those are different for each picture. However after I'm finished, I would like the possibility to save settings, because sometimes I rethink the same picture in the future, and also sometimes I have an idea when I'm processing the last picture in a series, and I would apply it for the previous ones, but in this case I should start it again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hanif 0 Posted January 17 Waiting this feature to be available on Affinity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites