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Non-destructive RAW development (all RAW adjustments in separate sidecar file)

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Another +1 for having a database/sidecar option for raw adjustments.

I personally don't need sidecar files—I'm not a team player, so a database is cleaner for me. But the need for both is there, for sure. Most obvious scenario: Make many adjustments to an image. Client replies with, 'almost perfect but darks are too dark' or 'highlights are a little too blown out'.

Then you have to start from scratch, trying to remember what you did to get to almost perfect and that's just not cool.

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The concept of using a sidecar file or database is so foreign to the design of Affinity Photo that I would be very surprised if the developers ever wasted their time on trying to incorporate such a feature into Photo.

Sidecar/database is not the same thing as "non-destructive" and is almost certainly a better fit for the separate DAM software that Serif has indicated they are working on behind the scenes.

Photo simply is not the correct application for that...  a non-destructive option yes, but sidecar/database no.

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At the very least it would be great to save a .afphoto file with a linked photo and Developer Persona settings unbaked.

The .afphoto files for raw editing would act similarly to a sidecar file and hopefully occupy next to no memory. Nothing would be embedded. Just the settings would be saved.

 

Wishful thinking perhaps. Either way, I too hope a non-destructive and memory-wise solution will come someday. 

 

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I love afphoto and use it now daily for a lot of think as a freelance, but for me the Raw development module ise too far from what i need, yes the sidecard files is a usefull feature, but, simply having a full good interpreting of format is far more important to my taste. I dont use adobe product anymore but for raw i still go to any of the open source / free (rawtherapy / darktable) software, at this date they are far superior to afPhoto for raw dev.

with the same raw photo in any of the three software listed here (rawtherapy, darktable, affinity photo) try to get information from dark and light part of an image back, the affinity photo result are a lackluster... I want it to be good so i can do everything in one software, but at this date it's not the case. Working on the raw engine and raw interpretation for affinity photo is more important than having sidecar file / non destructive raw editing for me.

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Thanks zedrone for sharing darktable and rawtherapy!

 I knew about darktable but not Raw Therapy and prefer it more so.

I would be continuing to use Raw Therapy had there not have been a deal available for Luminar 3 today.

*EDIT Apparently the deal is actually from March 2019. So it should still work after today if it worked for me.

Luminar 3 meets all my requirements as an Adobe Camera Raw and Adobe Bridge replacement but it is slower than affinity photo. 

It doesn't use sidecar files, but instead just keeps all the saved edits in a database it seems. (Still learning my way around it).

I don't mean to deter people from using affinity photo for raw editing, it's just that I need to be able to go back and adjust my edits whenever clients would like an adjustment.

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Well, I think I'll go against the tide about this idea. Considering how advanced are the RAW processing software nowadays and considering that Serif currently have no idea about how they will implement a non-destructive RAW development in the future (see above) and also that they are probably using an external RAW engine like DCRaw or LibRaw, I'd say that I neither expect nor need or wish this feature.

Lightroom/Camera RAW, DxO Photolab, Capture One are dominating the RAW Development software market and Serif will have a hard time catching up. The question is : why are so many photographers interested in Affinity Photo ? Because they need a tool that is easier to use than Photoshop, that can do enough to handle most retouching tasks and that does not force them to enter the subscription marketing model. Photographers need a tool that allows them to accomplish the retouching tasks that are not possible in their RAW development software, just because it's something totally different.

So, my opinion is that a version of Affinity Photo without any RAW processing would be certainly welcome. Just forget it and focus on the retouching features that could be enhanced or added to AP. Successful software concentrates on what it can do well and tries to do it even better.


--Patrick

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On 10/24/2019 at 11:34 PM, DigitalDesignDude said:

At the very least it would be great to save a .afphoto file with a linked photo and Developer Persona settings unbaked.

The .afphoto files for raw editing would act similarly to a sidecar file and hopefully occupy next to no memory. Nothing would be embedded. Just the settings would be saved.

I can't say whether or not Serif would go for this, but this should be feasible as most of the underlying technology is already there in the form of linked images as are now supported for Publisher.  If the develop mode were supported for image layers rather than just pixel layers and you had the option to create the initial imported layer as a linked image layer instead of a pixel layer, then as long as you stayed with operations that did not require the layer to be rasterized to a pixel layer you would basically have this - you could use adjustment and live filter layers, for example, but trying to use dodge/burn or the inpainting tool would rasterize and thus embed the layer by the very nature of how they work.

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