Menus

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1 minute ago, v_kyr said:

BTW the shown is no menu bar, it's instead a button bar (Affinity calls this symbol bar), there is quite a common difference between buttons and app/system menus.

In the English language versions, Affinity calls it simply the "Toolbar." See for example https://affinity.help/designer/en-US.lproj/pages/Workspace/interface.html & move the pointer that area. It also has that name in the English Views menu ("Show Toolbar") & in the contextual popup.

 

But whatever it is called, the circled item is a button. Do I get credit for getting that much right? 

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12 minutes ago, MEB said:

That's specific to Windows and can be used for both menu navigation and to launch commands. So you can use the letters to navigate menus/submenus (the letters are underlines when you press alt) and launch the commands themselves (which may also have a letter assigned when you press alt) or alternatively simply enter the command shortcut directly as on the Mac.

I am probably still misunderstanding something I should not, but I though he was talking about a method to display the keyboard shortcuts (so one did not have to remember what they were), rather than to navigate into a submenu & use them.

[MEB]

 If you use the letters to open/navigate through the menus you don't have to remember the shortcuts. You can press the corresponding/underlined letters to open and launch the respective command without using the shortcut (but you still have to navigate through the menus to do it).

That's what @Pšenda suggested below.

 

1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

 

You do not need to remember keyboard shortcuts for menu navigation. When you press Alt, the appropriate letter is always displayed.

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35 minutes ago, MEB said:

If you use the letters to open/navigate through the menus you don't have to remember the shortcuts.

But without opening a menu, where do you see the shortcuts for its submenu items? For example, say a Windows user has assigned shortcuts for several of the items on the Studio submenu of the View menu, like for showing or hiding some of the Studio panels. Without opening the View menu (via a shortcut or mouse click or whatever) where would that user see those shortcuts?

[v_kyr]

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

In the English language versions, Affinity calls it simply the "Toolbar." See for example https://affinity.help/designer/en-US.lproj/pages/Workspace/interface.html & move the pointer that area. It also has that name in the English Views menu ("Show Toolbar") & in the contextual popup.

 

But whatever it is called, the circled item is a button. Do I get credit for getting that much right? 

One point deduction here, since all people know believe these are menu bars and even the A-devs have already started to try to put now menu entries on these.

[Pšenda]

6 hours ago, R C-R said:

But without opening a menu, where do you see the shortcuts for its submenu items? For example, say a Windows user has assigned shortcuts for several of the items on the Studio submenu of the View menu, like for showing or hiding some of the Studio panels. Without opening the View menu (via a shortcut or mouse click or whatever) where would that user see those shortcuts?

 

It is not classical shortcuts, it is keys for menu item manipulation without mouse.

 

Basic menu status.

 

Menu after "Alt" key pressing - highlighted letters in menu item names (therefore nothing has to be remembered), which is used to select the appropriate menu item.

 

Menu after "v" key pressing - the View menu is expanded, and highlighted letters in yours menu item names, which is used to select the appropriate menu item.

 

And so on until the required item is selected. Just as you would when selecting the mouse, it's enough to just click one finger.

Moving in menu item structure is possible also with arrow key and Enter.

 

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29 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

It is not classical shortcuts, it is keys for menu item manipulation without mouse.

Thanks for the explanation but it is no different from how I thought it worked, that being that the menu still has to be opened (or expanded, if you prefer) before the shortcut keys are visible for its items, & so on for any items on submenus for items that have them. I apologize if I did not make that clear.

 

BTW, on Macs there is no equivalent for opening/expanding a top level menu like the Layer or View ones, but once open the arrow keys can be used in a similar way to navigate & select menu & submenu items. I don't think many Mac users use that feature since we still have to get the top level menu open before it can be used.