dmstraker Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Can some kind person offer a clear description of 'matte'? Yes, I know. Maybe an obvious question. But it's one of those things that I still half-understand. I've searched the help system and browsed online but I can't quite pin it down. Thanks! Grazie 1 Quote Dave Straker Cameras: Sony A7R2, RX100V Computers: Win10: Chillblast i9 Custom + Philips 40in 4K & Benq 23in; Surface Pro 4 i5; iPad Pro 11" Favourite word: Aha. For me and for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazie Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 What have you discovered thus far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmstraker Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 So far exploration includes: Something to do with transparency, dull colour, edges, masking, background replacement. Edit/Matte fills in transparent areas with a given colour. Used in Refine Edge for 'please find the edge for me'. Noun: (films, television) a mask used to blank out part of an image so that another image can be superimposed. All sorts of things like track matte, garbage matte, difference matte, luma matte. Quote Dave Straker Cameras: Sony A7R2, RX100V Computers: Win10: Chillblast i9 Custom + Philips 40in 4K & Benq 23in; Surface Pro 4 i5; iPad Pro 11" Favourite word: Aha. For me and for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazie Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) You've missed out a Matte Box. Are you after the etymology of the word? - As far as I can see/read it comes form the feminine French derivation meaning "Curds" - go figure? A matte box allows me to ADDED a full frame effect to the front of a lens. For me it can be a pola, a ND Solid or Grad or a complex stack of filters. Edited January 2, 2018 by Grazie clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Grazie said: Are you after the etymology of the word? - As far as I can see/read it comes form the feminine French derivation meaning "Curds" - go figure? I think that derivation only refers to matte as in ‘not shiny’. I’m not sure about the use of the word in connection with the replacement of a transparent background. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmstraker Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alfred said: I’m not sure about the use of the word in connection with the replacement of a transparent background. Maybe transparent foreground. Quote Dave Straker Cameras: Sony A7R2, RX100V Computers: Win10: Chillblast i9 Custom + Philips 40in 4K & Benq 23in; Surface Pro 4 i5; iPad Pro 11" Favourite word: Aha. For me and for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazie Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Hmm.... I'm starting to "see" convergence. Matte or flat, is what I'd want any artificially applied effect to be overall and not be affected/effected itself. Yes, I know it is a reach but this could be the case. Interesting thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVDB Photography Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (of a color, paint, or surface) dull and flat, without a shine. matte black a matte color, paint, or finish. the varnishes are available in gloss, satin, and matte a sheet of cardboard placed on the back of a picture, either as a mount or to form a border around the picture. The photographs were printed on 8 x 10 sheets, sepia-toned, and presented with ivory-toned mattes and walnut-stained mahogany frames. an impure product of the smelting of sulfide ores, especially those of copper or nickel. Botswana exports are dominated by diamonds, copper/nickel matte , beef and animal products; also exported are textiles and soda ash. a mask used to obscure part of an image in a film and allow another image to be substituted, combining the two. Virtually inventing methods of composite mattes in film made the invisible man truly come alive and real. Quote Affinity Photo 2.3.1 Laptop MSI Prestige PS42 Windows 11 Home 23H2 (Build 22631.3007) - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8565U CPU @ 1.80GHz 2.00 GHz - RAM 16,0 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmstraker Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Matte can be a verb as well as a noun. Matting in photo editing seems to involve flattening, such as with pulling up and down the right/left curves nodes and reducing saturation, as in http://photographypla.net/simple-matte-effect-photoshop/. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matte_(filmmaking) I'm particularly interested in how the good folks at Affinity define 'matte'. Quote Dave Straker Cameras: Sony A7R2, RX100V Computers: Win10: Chillblast i9 Custom + Philips 40in 4K & Benq 23in; Surface Pro 4 i5; iPad Pro 11" Favourite word: Aha. For me and for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 http://www.dictionary.com/browse/matte Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazie Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, dmstraker said: I'm particularly interested in how the good folks at Affinity define 'matte'. Oh well, we'll need to wait from them to respond, then? 4 minutes ago, Pšenda said: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/matte Yeah, Pšenda, I did read that one previously and was hoping to get some convergence with graphical manipulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmstraker Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 > > I'm particularly interested in how the good folks at Affinity define 'matte'. > > Oh well, we'll need to wait from them to respond, then? Conversation with everyone else is good too. Quote Dave Straker Cameras: Sony A7R2, RX100V Computers: Win10: Chillblast i9 Custom + Philips 40in 4K & Benq 23in; Surface Pro 4 i5; iPad Pro 11" Favourite word: Aha. For me and for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 In Affinity "matte" refers to the background color (or lack of any color -- IOW, transparency) for exports to raster image formats, & in Affinity Photo may also refer to the treatment of edges in the Refine Selection window. So I guess it is closest to the 'sheet of cardboard' dictionary definition -- AFAIK, it does not refer to the dullness or shininess of anything. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 hours ago, dmstraker said: So far exploration includes: Something to do with transparency, dull colour, edges, masking, background replacement. Edit/Matte fills in transparent areas with a given colour. Used in Refine Edge for 'please find the edge for me'. Noun: (films, television) a mask used to blank out part of an image so that another image can be superimposed. All sorts of things like track matte, garbage matte, difference matte, luma matte. As you already saw the term can have context related different meanings, even in photography and cinematic film usage (a matte color, a matte mask, a matte background, mattening aka framing etc.). - What I realy liked here ... Quote mạtt Adjektiv 1. schwach, müde, erschöpft. "Ich fühle mich vor Hunger und Durst ganz matt." Synonyme: kraftlos, umg. erledigt, schlapp 2. ohne Glanz, nur schwach leuchtend. "Ich muss den Silberring polieren, denn er ist ganz matt." Synonyme: stumpf 3. nicht intensiv. "Er antwortete mit einem matten Lächeln." Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wikinger Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) Bonjour. Ce site http://monscrap.com/blog/2013/06/08/mater-une-photo-dans-le-scrap-ca-veut-dire-quoi/ donne la définition suivante: Mater une photo dans le scrap ça veut dire mettre le papier autour .... comme une sorte de petit cadre ... ça fait ressortir la photo et surtout la met en valeur. Il y a plusieurs orthographes: Mater, matter. mettre une matte = un cadre (??). Concrètement, dmstraker n'a pas la réponse concrète qu'il souhaite. Intéressant et amusant ce fil. Edited January 2, 2018 by Wikinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmstraker Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 > Mater une photo dans le scrap ça veut dire mettre le papier autour .... comme une sorte de petit cadre ... ça fait ressortir la photo et surtout la met en valeur. Google translates as: So Mater a picture in the scrap it means to put paper around .... as a kind of small frame ... it brings out the picture and especially it highlights it! Hmm. Sounds like 'framing a picture makes it look better'? Quote Dave Straker Cameras: Sony A7R2, RX100V Computers: Win10: Chillblast i9 Custom + Philips 40in 4K & Benq 23in; Surface Pro 4 i5; iPad Pro 11" Favourite word: Aha. For me and for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrb Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I'm more confused than even now! So what's the difference between "matte" and "fill" ? --- apart from fill having Shift+F5 shortcut In Refine; matte just seems to be a default for "average repair" for the want of a better wording Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toltec Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 hours ago, ianrb said: I'm more confused than even now! So what's the difference between "matte" and "fill" ? --- apart from fill having Shift+F5 shortcut In Refine; matte just seems to be a default for "average repair" for the want of a better wording In cinema, Matte is the made-up (fake) background that the actors act in front of to give the appearance of being in the jungle or on the moon, when in reality they are in a building in Hollywood. These days it is CGI, not someone with a paintbrush. A typical matte was the warehouse full of boxes at the end of the Indiana Jones movie. In photography, if you cut out your subject and put them in front of a beach scene, you are using the beach as a matte. So basically, matte is the background. Fill is the colour you completely cover something with. So if you completely cover your wall (or 'matte') in a single colour like pink or green, you have 'filled' it. I'm not sure that the term 'Matte' is really appropriate for refining the edges of a selection (as used in Refine Edges) but then using the term 'Rasterise' is a bit dodgy too sometimes I think just 'Refine' (not Matte) would be a bit better, because that is what it does. firstdefence 1 Quote Windows PCs. Photo and Designer, latest non-beta versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrb Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 11 hours ago, toltec said: In cinema, Matte is the made-up (fake) background that the actors act in front of to give the appearance of being in the jungle or on the moon, when in reality they are in a building in Hollywood. WHAT??!! Will that comment really spoilt movies for me. So none of the bad guys fell off the mountain ? Thanks for that great reply toltec Seems to be just one of the ''weird'' names used by Affinity --- another is Personas . I have the thought Affinity was originally started in a very non-english speaking country and things got a bit lost in translation Only names; once we get used to them it's not a big drama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h_d Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, ianrb said: So none of the bad guys fell off the mountain ? Yup and Han Solo wasn't really encased in carbonite. ianrb 1 Quote Affinity Photo 2.0.3, Affinity Designer 2.0.3, Affinity Publisher 2.0.3, Mac OSX 13, 2018 MacBook Pro 15" Intel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, ianrb said: I have the thought Affinity was originally started in a very non-english speaking country and things got a bit lost in translation The English language is perfectly capable of losing itself without outside help; indeed, it excels at that. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrb Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, R C-R said: The English language is perfectly capable of losing itself without outside help; indeed, it excels at that. Yep; I totally agree with that -- English is said to be the hardest language to learn and write, and being dyslexic doesn't help me to write it right . LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h_d Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I suspect that the original meaning of matte came from mat, a a sheet of card placed on the back of a picture, either as a mount or to form a border. https://www.etymonline.com/word/matte The meaning got extended (and the spelling got amended) when early film-makers used painted backdrops to replace genuine scenery in live action shots and developed all sorts of physical in-camera techniques which can now be replicated in software. Quote Affinity Photo 2.0.3, Affinity Designer 2.0.3, Affinity Publisher 2.0.3, Mac OSX 13, 2018 MacBook Pro 15" Intel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 As Toltec as mentioned I've always understood Matte to be like the Green or Blue screens Movie makers use to create illusion. Also, a lot of games used to use a pink matte for sprites. ianrb 1 Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kheewz Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 On 9/1/2018 at 8:50 PM, ianrb said: Yep; I totally agree with that -- English is said to be the hardest language to learn and write What?? Nevermind. Matte, as I understand it, is a way of defining what is shown and what is not through another image, almost like a mask. Here you have Apple's logo. and here you have Apple's logo as a matte to this mountain photo. There's this other concept of matte as "matte painting", which is a background to be inserted and composited in movies/videos/photos to fake the scene. ianrb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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