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I do not understand all this frustration and the tone of many posts.

We had already paid for the application APu I would be on your side, I would scream too.

Here it seems very clear to me that the Affinity developers want to write and offer different and useful software. They need their time.

It all seems very exaggerated, do we have any expectations? Well ... it is not an obligation of Affinity to satisfy them in the time that we want. We are not children, it is not their duty.

How many times as boys have we been stressed for results? Too many.

How many times do we want our life to change ... today, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow.

Like many in here and out I would like to interrupt the now tired relationship with Adobe ... more for what it offers than for the money.

When APu will come out I will still keep the Adobe contract for one year because for all it takes the right time! How I would say no to Affinity if you told me to give up Adobe, Affinity asks for time to release its products.

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On 6. Juli 2018 at 10:13 AM, MattP said:

The alternative was for us to have never said anything about Publisher

Thanks for your statement. Perhaps the “problem” was that some people needed the whole promised suite and no iPad apps but should have waited until 2019 for all three products.

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3 hours ago, MattP said:

There's no 'priority' issue here. I'm the Project Manager (and Lead Developer) of Affinity Designer, so I'm busy working on my next release (AD for iPad) whereas we have a whole team of developers working on Affinity Publisher and have had for a long time now. My post was really about apologising I've not been around as much as usual (because I'm very busy!) and about reassuring you that Publisher is still coming along nicely from what I can see... I'll move on to help out the team with Publisher imminently, sure, but it's not like there's been a pause while everyone waits for my help! ;) They're much better at Publisher-specific stuff than me anyway, so I just need to help out in the areas that I'm good at! As with any of our products, they won't be released until we're actually happy with them, because at the end of the day, nobody wants software that doesn't really 'work' properly! :S 

It's difficult from my perspective to imagine what we could have done here to make customers feel less frustrated by the lack of progress?... Development of good software is often an iterative process - it's SO unlikely you'll just hit the sweet-spot on your first go at typing something and you'll need to start again with new knowledge and try something a little different - that process is notoriously terribly difficult to estimate how long it takes. In a world where it only matters if something actually works or not, then maybe your first go would've been good enough and maybe timescales are easier to guess, but we're looking for a great solution, not just any solution... So Publisher seems to be taking a while when viewed from the outside - but there's no 'problem' here, everything is going great and we're converging on something special - but rushing to reach a goal before it's truly ready would just be a terrible idea and would setup the product very badly for the future. I think the 'teaser' video for Publisher we released was partly to show that it really was happening, and partly because we're really excited to show it to you! The guys working on the product are doing their job, but it's also something they're passionate about, so they're proud of their work and want you to enjoy it. The alternative was for us to have never said anything about Publisher at all but then customers would just wonder what we were doing that was meaning we weren't updating Photo/Designer very often recently and then would get frustrated. Hang in there - it's on its way and it's going to be good! :) 

Matt with all due respect a Teaser of "Existence" video is NOT a progress report. Even if it was surely you should put out more videos of your progress (Publisher Dev Team). We have all established that APUB exist. The fact of the matter is for a way late product, a teaser video will not suffice and real progress reports would be useful. I understand one cannot put a specific date on it but you have to admit this is also not the way forward and makes it very frustrating to check everyday in hope of something. I think the lead developer of Publisher should come forward and give some solid indication and real progress and not teaser videos. Your products are outstanding and that is why all of us here so lets make the third one as good with being more transparent and clear. 

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3 hours ago, Zbigg said:

3. The time is NOW,

Sorry to sound a little harsh, but I can't help it :(
You are not in the position to define that 'the time is now'. We all are not.

Please note that words spelled in capital letters are considered on a forum as an equivalent to yelling.

On the other hand I support the idea of open speach and exchange in the forum ... with respect.

All the best,
d.

Edit: correction 'spelt' to 'spelled'


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2 hours ago, Zbigg said:

1. Time. How long still and why so long ?

Because developing Software is unpredictable.

2 hours ago, Zbigg said:

3. The time is NOW, lots of people switched to AF because they saw you could offer promising, effective tools at affordable price and you ensure good customer-provider relations and development/support relations. This wil not last forever though.

And for many people the time for a DAM is now, as well as some people wanting Editing Video capabilities now. I'm sure, if you were part of the managing team, you'd realize that just launhing it to the public like that without being a good Beta, would be a mistake.

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51 minutes ago, Sam Neil said:

Your products are outstanding and that is why all of us here so lets make the third one as good with being more transparent and clear. 

Cant see the logic there. Your complimenting a well thought, patiently done work of product and asking for a rushed follow up product?

im also excited checking the forum everyday when i get time but... really?

More transparency also means competition will know your next move. 

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1 hour ago, Oval said:

Thanks for your statement. Perhaps the “problem” was that some people needed the hole promised suite and no iPad apps but should have waited until 2019 for all three products.

And that's the thing, for many people, the iPad version was more suited to their needs.

Best regards!


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4 hours ago, MattP said:

There's no 'priority' issue here. I'm the Project Manager (and Lead Developer) of Affinity Designer, so I'm busy working on my next release (AD for iPad) whereas we have a whole team of developers working on Affinity Publisher and have had for a long time now. My post was really about apologising I've not been around as much as usual (because I'm very busy!) and about reassuring you that Publisher is still coming along nicely from what I can see... I'll move on to help out the team with Publisher imminently, sure, but it's not like there's been a pause while everyone waits for my help! ;) They're much better at Publisher-specific stuff than me anyway, so I just need to help out in the areas that I'm good at! As with any of our products, they won't be released until we're actually happy with them, because at the end of the day, nobody wants software that doesn't really 'work' properly! :S 

It's difficult from my perspective to imagine what we could have done here to make customers feel less frustrated by the lack of progress?... Development of good software is often an iterative process - it's SO unlikely you'll just hit the sweet-spot on your first go at typing something and you'll need to start again with new knowledge and try something a little different - that process is notoriously terribly difficult to estimate how long it takes. In a world where it only matters if something actually works or not, then maybe your first go would've been good enough and maybe timescales are easier to guess, but we're looking for a great solution, not just any solution... So Publisher seems to be taking a while when viewed from the outside - but there's no 'problem' here, everything is going great and we're converging on something special - but rushing to reach a goal before it's truly ready would just be a terrible idea and would setup the product very badly for the future. I think the 'teaser' video for Publisher we released was partly to show that it really was happening, and partly because we're really excited to show it to you! The guys working on the product are doing their job, but it's also something they're passionate about, so they're proud of their work and want you to enjoy it. The alternative was for us to have never said anything about Publisher at all but then customers would just wonder what we were doing that was meaning we weren't updating Photo/Designer very often recently and then would get frustrated. Hang in there - it's on its way and it's going to be good! :) 

Thanks for sharing this with us, Matt.

I know it's hard for you as well, because I'm sure you'd love to have Designer on the iPad as well as Publisher on Desktop out here in the wild right now. Keep up the good work, stay focus and be confident that some of us are really excited about the work you are doing.

I know some people get angry, frustrated and the only way out for them comes in the form of harsh words (having part of reason or not). Well, I recommend those people to try some angry management therapy or something. It's not good for their own health.

Also, for those who are as impatient as I am: keep showing the Dev Team the interest in their development, but without cursing their entire bloodline, please (it's no use). I know that Publisher was promised for 2016, but it's not like Serif said "we are going to troll these folks for some laughs".

Best regards!


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Why should software development be ruled by some other rules than these applying to project development at all?

I dont get it. If a project does not meet its goals at the time and/or scope and/or quality - something's wrong with management of that project, dont you think?

When did you start coding for AFP? Did you? )) Too much undocumented mystery, too little deadlines ?

What do you mean by 'unpredictable'? Does the project rely on  public funding, gov's contracts, weather?

Because if its too much amateurship - maybe its nothing to bother about ?

No, I am not gonna insult or depreciate anybody, I expect -as present user for some your products and potential user of the other ones - to be treated SERIOUSLY.


cheers,

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25 minutes ago, Aaron Martin said:

Cant see the logic there. Your complimenting a well thought, patiently done work of product and asking for a rushed follow up product?

im also excited checking the forum everyday when i get time but... really?

More transparency also means competition will know your next move. 

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Everything is a surprise in life.

I started to get interested in Affinity just to see if the iPad Pro could be a good alternative to updating my Cintiq and renewing a laptop.

Compared to the past I work less out of the office, in fact for the future I prefer to invest in a MacPRO that is performance for rendering and product and graphic design.

The need for mobility, however, remains, an iPad Pro seems to me as powerful as a great MPB but at the cost of an entry level ... my Cintiq is 10 years old, continues to go well but it would be time to change it.An iPad Pro could also be a cheaper alternative to a new Cintiq.

Affinity Designer and Photo seemed to me complete software to use them on the move, I bought them for the desktop to test them and they practically replaced AI and PS ... now I'm waiting for the announcement for the new iPad because I'm sure AP and AD will give me more than what I expected!

So, thanks for running AD for iPad ... that's why I looked at Affinity.

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13 minutes ago, Zbigg said:

Why should software development be ruled by some other rules than these applying to project development at all?

I dont get it. If a project does not meet its goals at the time and/or scope and/or quality - something's wrong with management of that project, dont you think?

But that's not the only possibility.

14 minutes ago, Zbigg said:

What do you mean by 'unpredictable'? Does the project rely on  public funding, gov's contracts, weather?

Many big companies have had problemas with the delay of a product launch. Take Windows Vista as an example. Just to know, have you ever coded anything?

14 minutes ago, Zbigg said:

No, I am not gonna insult or depreciate anybody, I expect -as present user for some your products and potential user of the other ones - to be treated SERIOUSLY. 

And I believe you are being treated seriously.

Best regards!


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Just now, Mithferion said:

But that's not the only possibility.

Many big companies have had problemas with the delay of a product launch. Take Windows Vista as an example. Just to know, have you ever coded anything?

And I believe you are being treated seriously.

Best regards!

Ok, let resume that play and stay we are all believers. ))


cheers,

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I can understand the frustration. Personally I avoid subscription software and I've been using Adobe CS5 since 2010. Only hitch is keeping my MacBook Pro at Yosemite in order to have full functionality. Affinity Designer and Photo work beautifully on that so I've only had to rely on InDesign CS5. While waiting for Publisher I decided to give QuarkXpress a try and I've been using the 2017 version on the MacBook as well. I have a 2017 iMac and I run QuarkXpress 2018 and Affinity Designer and Photo on that. No Adobe products and it's blissful. You could say I've been waiting for Publisher for almost 6-7 years. The only reason I haven't upgraded my MacBook Pro is in case I need to convert an InDesign file. Publisher will be a great addition to the software arsenal without subscriptions. If you peruse the Adobe forums you'll see the defense of the Adobe universe argument being that in order to share work. . .  I can understand that but my work doesn't involve that sort of collaboration. I achieve everything through PDF output, whether for proofing or print.

If you can't wait or are tired of the delays, then the choices are fairly simple: Continue with the Adobe Beast, try QuarkXpress or any other page layout alternative. Complaining on a forum about what a company does or doesn't "owe" us in regards to software that is in development seems a bit bizarre. The only thing I see Affinity owing me in regards to Publisher is the actual software once I've paid for it. As a product, it doesn't exist yet. You can storm the walls of the castle all you want and shout at the top of your lungs, but it won't hasten anything. If it's not in your pocket you don't have it. If Publisher is shaping up to be as great as Photo and Designer, the wait is worth it. 

Just my opinion and I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone here. I've felt that frustration as well, at many companies for various reasons, especially those that kill off software for no reason.

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2 minutes ago, dannyg9 said:

I can understand the frustration. Personally I avoid subscription software and I've been using Adobe CS5 since 2010. Only hitch is keeping my MacBook Pro at Yosemite in order to have full functionality. Affinity Designer and Photo work beautifully on that so I've only had to rely on InDesign CS5. While waiting for Publisher I decided to give QuarkXpress a try and I've been using the 2017 version on the MacBook as well. I have a 2017 iMac and I run QuarkXpress 2018 and Affinity Designer and Photo on that. No Adobe products and it's blissful. You could say I've been waiting for Publisher for almost 6-7 years. The only reason I haven't upgraded my MacBook Pro is in case I need to convert an InDesign file. Publisher will be a great addition to the software arsenal without subscriptions. If you peruse the Adobe forums you'll see the defense of the Adobe universe argument being that in order to share work. . .  I can understand that but my work doesn't involve that sort of collaboration. I achieve everything through PDF output, whether for proofing or print.

If you can't wait or are tired of the delays, then the choices are fairly simple: Continue with the Adobe Beast, try QuarkXpress or any other page layout alternative. Complaining on a forum about what a company does or doesn't "owe" us in regards to software that is in development seems a bit bizarre. The only thing I see Affinity owing me in regards to Publisher is the actual software once I've paid for it. As a product, it doesn't exist yet. You can storm the walls of the castle all you want and shout at the top of your lungs, but it won't hasten anything. If it's not in your pocket you don't have it. If Publisher is shaping up to be as great as Photo and Designer, the wait is worth it. 

Just my opinion and I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone here. I've felt that frustration as well, at many companies for various reasons, especially those that kill off software for no reason.

 

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Just now, dannyg9 said:

I can understand the frustration. (.......)

Just my opinion and I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone here. I've felt that frustration as well, at many companies for various reasons, especially those that kill off software for no reason.

Iam to it. Ive been also on CS5 for some time but on PC side. I would like to know only: do we have any reasonable time schedule or/which is more probable after watching predecessing posts/: theres some undoubtfully great idea for AF DTP but forget about materialising it for now...

Amen...? ;-))

Pax vobiscum ?


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3 minutes ago, Zbigg said:

Iam to it. Ive been also on CS5 for some time but on PC side. I would like to know only: do we have any reasonable time schedule or/which is more probable after watching predecessing posts/: theres some undoubtfully great idea for AF DTP but forget about materialising it for now...

Amen...? ;-))

I think it is reasonable to expect participation of Tony in this thread--certainly more than the first couple times he did. It's what he said he would do.

At the start of the thread Summer (of 2018) is mentioned as the beginning of the beta...so until September something it could/should materialize. I think that barking at the moon could be held off until such time as it doesn't materialize. And if it does show up before the end of this current summer, then great.

Updates would be good. But if the choice by Serif is to not comply with the demands of the hoards clanging their pitchforks and shovels then so what? It's their choice.


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1 minute ago, Zbigg said:

Iam to it. Ive been also on CS5 for some time but on PC side. I would like to know only: do we have any reasonable time schedule or/which is more probable after watching predecessing posts/: theres some undoubtfully great idea for AF DTP but forget about materialising it for now...

Amen...? ;-))

YES you have a reasonable estimate that was given in the announcement. SOMETIME THIS SUMMER   ...   2018 ... and we have just started July. No amount of crying, pouting, threatening, moaning or cajoling will change that ... and all of those have presented in this forum as expressions of "I want what I want when I want it"

The are going to release it ... drum roll ... when it is READY! and if that means 2019 they will announce it and we will just have to suck it up, (not that I foresee that)

The AMEN is in agreement with the statement that you should keep using what you are using until you actually have publisher in your hands and are satisfied that it will work for you which the first few betas may not

Cheer up and don't lose your peace over it. Let them get the thing finished to where the are ready to unleash it on the world


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5 minutes ago, MikeW said:

I think it is reasonable to expect participation of Tony in this thread--certainly more than the first couple times he did. It's what he said he would do.

At the start of the thread Summer (of 2018) is mentioned as the beginning of the beta...so until September something it could/should materialize. I think that barking at the moon could be held off until such time as it doesn't materialize. And if it does show up before the end of this current summer, then great.

Updates would be good. But if the choice by Serif is to not comply with the demands of the hoards clanging their pitchforks and shovels then so what? It's their choice.

Amen again


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51 minutes ago, MikeW said:

I think it is reasonable to expect participation of Tony in this thread--certainly more than the first couple times he did. It's what he said he would do.

At the start of the thread Summer (of 2018) is mentioned as the beginning of the beta...so until September something it could/should materialize. I think that barking at the moon could be held off until such time as it doesn't materialize. And if it does show up before the end of this current summer, then great.

Updates would be good. But if the choice by Serif is to not comply with the demands of the hoards clanging their pitchforks and shovels then so what? It's their choice.

Mike I disagree with this line:

"Updates would be good. But if the choice by Serif is to not comply with the demands of the hoards clanging their pitchforks and shovels then so what? It's their choice."

No one (At least not me) is DEMANDING. All I was saying was a clearer form of communication would have been better. Perhaps Tony should not have even shown that video and not even mention such a product as now he has shot himself in the foot. I personally think Serif underestimated the importance & popularity of Publisher. 

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12 minutes ago, Sam Neil said:

Mike I disagree with this line:

"Updates would be good. But if the choice by Serif is to not comply with the demands of the hoards clanging their pitchforks and shovels then so what? It's their choice."

No one (At least not me) is DEMANDING. All I was saying was a clearer form of communication would have been better. Perhaps Tony should not have even shown that video and not even mention such a product as now he has shot himself in the foot. I personally think Serif underestimated the importance & popularity of Publisher. 

Tony posted the video in response to the few people doubting its very existence in a loud and obnoxious manner. I don't think I would have made the same choice.

I do think he should have followed through with answering real questions. 

I wasn't writing in response to what you have written. I could have chosen to quote the person I had in mind but chose not to.


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