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13 minutes ago, Alfred said:

 

I don't imagine for a minute that they will try to transfer the Affinity workbooks from PagePlus to Publisher any time soon. What would be the benefit of doing so? :/

 

 

If I was in control of the process, I would do so if/when there is an update to the two existing workbooks scheduled and I definitely would for an APub workbook. There are a few reasons why I would do so. But if for no other reason, it is a showcase of the product.

 

It's akin to using Photoshop to retouch images for the APhoto workbook or using AI for the AD workbook. That breaks down in that at least PP is a Serif product. But it is a dead product and I would want to point to the workbook and say, Hey, we produced this fabulous product in APub!

 

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It seems to me that being able to read or convert InDesign files is functional to an AP claim.

 

Adobe had initially created a software tool to convert files created with Quark Xpress ... this allowed him to convince users to use his DTP software.

Obviously, on very complex jobs, not everything worked but helped to rebuild them.

 

In fact, starting from the pdf, with AD, you can recover a lot of work.

Probably, compared to the past, it will be enough to start from the pdf, but I do not find it wrong to hypothesise a tool for converting pagers coming from other software.

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And now with QuarkXPress being able to use IDML from CS5 up (upcoming version 2018), the ball is in Serif's court...

 

APub will obtain IDML import capabilities. The when is the only real question.


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4 minutes ago, MikeW said:

 

If I was in control of the process, I would do so if/when there is an update to the two existing workbooks scheduled and I definitely would for an APub workbook. There are a few reasons why I would do so. But if for no other reason, it is a showcase of the product.

 

It's akin to using Photoshop to retouch images for the APhoto workbook or using AI for the AD workbook. That breaks down in that at least PP is a Serif product. But it is a dead product and I would want to point to the workbook and say, Hey, we produced this fabulous product in APub!

 

Mike

 

I understand all that, Mike, but it was mentioned elsewhere that the collaborative nature of the workbooks meant that it made sense for them to use not just PagePlus but BookPlus. I'll be pleasantly surprised if similar functionality in Affinity Publisher is less than several years away.

 


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I don't hardly ever use the book feature in anything that has it. I never did with PP for my own work either.

 

I think many of us are use to collaborative work without using a book feature. (Though no book feature holds a candle to how Ventura Publisher handled text coming from disparate sources.)

 

Here's the thing to me. If Serif really is going to enter the layout application fray (and they are), then it behooves them to use it. If for no other reason some advancements will promptly be done in the v.1 cycle ;^)

 

 


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2 minutes ago, MikeW said:

I don't hardly ever use the book feature in anything that has it. I never did with PP for my own work either.

 

 

Me too neither. I just don't think such an option will be available in the first couple of versions of APub.

 


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2 hours ago, Seneca said:

but I hope we are not waiting for a toy but for a competitor at the highest level.

 

Affinity already and multiple times said that the first few releases of APub won't be on the level of Indesign or Xpress.

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I consider Affinity Publisher (and indeed the rest of the Affinity range) the equivalent of Adobe InDesign 1.0. InDesign was already being labelled 'Quark Killer'' even at a beta stage. However, with version 1.0, InDesign was pretty rough around the edges. It lacked type on a path and built in support for tables which QuarkXPress possessed.  Version 1.5 fixed this as free update. This did not stop InDesign gaining traction and I guess it really took off with version 3.0 as part of Adobe's Creative Suite.

So yes, Affinity Publisher will not be as full featured as InDesign and QXP. However, provided it covers the main bases and does them well, they can be added to and expanded.

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2 hours ago, iMatt said:

I consider Affinity Publisher (and indeed the rest of the Affinity range) the equivalent of Adobe InDesign 1.0. InDesign was already being labelled 'Quark Killer'' even at a beta stage. However, with version 1.0, InDesign was pretty rough around the edges. It lacked type on a path and built in support for tables which QuarkXPress possessed.  Version 1.5 fixed this as free update. This did not stop InDesign gaining traction and I guess it really took off with version 3.0 as part of Adobe's Creative Suite.

So yes, Affinity Publisher will not be as full featured as InDesign and QXP. However, provided it covers the main bases and does them well, they can be added to and expanded.

 

A key difference is/was that Adobe had already bought what was a very mature (at the time) PageMaker from Aldus (as well as FreeHand). During the transition, many of us kept on using PageMaker until InDesign caught up. But we always had a translator to go back and open PageMaker docs in InDesign for quite some time. Our work was not hugely interrupted nor did we face an issue where what we were doing and creating in PageMaker would be "lost" later when moving to the newer InDesign. Many of us weren't thrilled at the time about having to eventually move to ID, but at least Adobe did a somewhat reasonable job of helping the transition of PM files to ID.

 

Thus we have to hope that Affinity can/will be able to offer a similar path. We will have to eventually be able to bring our legacy files into their Publisher app, and sooner would obviously be better for a more rapid adoption of the new app. Just like many apps can open, read and save-as Word documents in word processing, ID files are critical to many pro designers and shops.


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I personally do not see how creatives can completely cut the Adobe cord. Luckily I can continue using CS6 versions and rent when needed (it's only happened for me a few times since CC). But not ever using at least some version of ID? Nah. I'm pretty certain I'll pass away before that day comes.

 

Well, seems I lost a long wall of text I had written. My bad, but best for everyone else :D . Summary would be that... Well, I have been able to do so (but I'll keep using Adobe, Autodesk products, and whatever they ask me to use, at companies. It's always comfortable to use the most powerful solutions. But as a pro freelancer, being my own software (that's not really possible anymore, with that brand, anyways).... nope...)  . I have been able to do so with Krita and CSP (aka Manga Studio) for painting, Blender(specially since appearance of Cycles renderer, one can get very close or equal to VRAY renders! ) and Wings3d for all 3D, eventually Gimp. (using a combo of my two painters and gimp for a while, before -at home, only- was Gimp and older versions with magazine DVSs/CDs of great software (thanks Serif and all other brands for that ! )) Little CMS, Scribus for CMYK, etc. It i spossible when you choose your own gigs to take. Isn't that pro work? It is. you probably cannot take a gig that involves "fixing a complex PSD file with layer effects and complex text layers", but anyway, I find those gigs a bit boring, and would take 'em when no other thing available, but am a freelancer mostly for fun (for plain easy income/time ratio I'd be yet at some company....by far.) Yet tho, from time to time it is an issue, but I tend to get friendly with th eproject authors I work for, and is easy to ask 'em to flatten those effects, and me dig for a way to import the text layers. Things like tell them to export in PS compatibility mode, simplify certain effects of the layers (i can re-build with my own tools), export as tiff, etc. Anyway, illustration requires less of image editing, and these apps combo can solve a collection of situations. For deep, serious image editing, is way, way better IMO just use Affinity Photo (but my project native files are yet based in the other tools, so that'll have to wait a bit). A. Designer is a dream come true compared to what I had before for that at home... :)

 

I'd add just that it depends. Some creatives, as you included there several profiles (I do graphic design and all sort of editing, is not just painting projects) can deal all with out that subscription, some, usually depending on a large client, big company with its workflows in place fully tied to the top dog... yeah, those can't even start thinking of leaving the subscription. And probably don't have a need, at all. I subscribe (no pun intended ;) ) what said by someone above: Usually u can pay that, but at some point you need ALL your bucks for sth, I do help other ppl, so I don't accumulate too much money on the bank. A "surprise" like a car total repair, or a HUGE doctor's fee, your main PC breaks, or all together, and then, while u can pay all, -or not- last thing you need is yet another monthly bill.  Even if is no issue to at some chosen time to pay all together the whole cost of a year subscription, but for a permanent, "owned" software license. I can see tho how a very large number of professionals will always depend on the Adobe subscription, but my point is the reason is due to the closed native formats. Feature-wise, I can't agree: I paint WAY better, faster, more comfortable, in a much more flexible way with clip paint studio than I ever did with PS. And it allows me to use it in any crappy machine, like this one, my parent's, sister ones, it runs everywhere, allowing in all these to load my typical 5k to 10k px (side) square canvas without brush lag, and allowing many layers. Same thing with AP and AD, it loads very light in these old machines . Soon buying a ryzen, but is super nice that I'll be able to run anything of my workflow in the old machine, too.

 

IMO, it depends a lot on your type of clients and projects. At a company, heck, the boss pays for it, so, whatever...

 


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6 hours ago, nwhit said:

 

A key difference is/was that Adobe had already bought what was a very mature (at the time) PageMaker from Aldus (as well as FreeHand). During the transition, many of us kept on using PageMaker until InDesign caught up. But we always had a translator to go back and open PageMaker docs in InDesign for quite some time. Our work was not hugely interrupted nor did we face an issue where what we were doing and creating in PageMaker would be "lost" later when moving to the newer InDesign. Many of us weren't thrilled at the time about having to eventually move to ID, but at least Adobe did a somewhat reasonable job of helping the transition of PM files to ID.

 

Thus we have to hope that Affinity can/will be able to offer a similar path. We will have to eventually be able to bring our legacy files into their Publisher app, and sooner would obviously be better for a more rapid adoption of the new app. Just like many apps can open, read and save-as Word documents in word processing, ID files are critical to many pro designers and shops.

nwhit,

 

My memory seems to recall things a little differently. I'm not sure but your post seems to imply that Indesign was released not long after Adobe bought Pagemaker, but it was 5 years later (and a long five years if you had to use Ragemaker everyday).  Adobe bought Pagemaker from Aldus in 1994 and they didn't release Indesign until 1999. As well Adobe didn't buy Freehand from Aldus, they bought it from Macromedia who had purchased it from Aldus. Maybe I read your post wrong? 

 

I don't think you can compare the transition from Pagemaker to Indesign in regards to transitioning file from Indesign to Affinity Publisher. Pagemaker and Indesign are owned by the same company, which Affinity Publisher and Indesign aren't. As well Adobe had a legion of developers and while Serif has some very talented developers, no doubt they are fewer in number compared to those at Adobe. 

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10 minutes ago, Hokusai said:

As well Adobe had a legion of developers and while Serif has some very talented developers, no doubt they are fewer in number compared to those at Adobe.

 

Serif has a dozen developers; Adobe has hundreds.


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I'm sure that big companies — some still using old CS applications since CC licences for everyone is too much a cost — would be happy to upgrade tu APub.

They'll have to keep somme CC licences to check on illustrations and to keep on using their archived files, but if APub is good enougth it'll be a good choice.

If APub include regular expressions and easy scripting (as in ID with multiplatforms Javascript), it won't be a problem.

 

Another question is : will Affinity apps be teached in schools and when people will send Affinity files for better integration/modifications as they send .ai or .psd files ?

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I am surprised that the team have not provided any more details/videos and left everyone guessing, perhaps this is a marketing tactic but it does not help having one video teaser and 20 pages of a thread containing people guessing the features and the boring argument about Adobe being the king!!!!

 

More info/details (even screenshots) would be useful imho.

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14 minutes ago, Wosven said:

Another question is : will Affinity apps be teached in schools and when people will send Affinity files for better integration/modifications as they send .ai or .psd files ?

 

well, one step at a time...IMO is the moment of polishing AD and AP, and seems they are working in a very initial Apub, I understood the latter is more than anything a proof of concept, not a full product just yet. Keeping your expectations not so high might be healthy.  :)

 

In general I think the thing, globally, the suite, might mean a lot more than we are thinking now that it will...  (if allowing pros to do even just a 80% of what they can do with Adobe)


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5 minutes ago, Sam Neil said:

I am surprised that the team have not provided any more details/videos and left everyone guessing, perhaps this is a marketing tactic but it does not help having one video teaser and 20 pages of a thread containing people guessing the features and the boring argument about Adobe being the king!!!!

 

More info/details (even screenshots) would be useful imho.

 

in the past spreading more info than needed brought 'em problems of big magnitude. If ppl would had complained less in the previous times, maybe. 


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3 minutes ago, SrPx said:

 

in the past spreading more info than needed brought 'em problems of big magnitude. If ppl would had complained less in the previous times, maybe. 

 

This is not "Spreading" more info. A video that the software exists is not exactly spreading info. We all knew it existed. All I am saying a little NEW info would be nice.

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1 minute ago, Sam Neil said:

 

This is not "Spreading" more info. A video that the software exists is not exactly spreading info. We all knew it existed. All I am saying a little NEW info would be nice.

 

I agree. I think it was the wildly optimistic release dates, rather than the amount of information, that proved to be problematic when Publisher was originally announced.


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Well maybe everything is WIP at the moment with nothing finalized as to what will make it to the release version, so they don't want to say something that eventually will have to keep back because it was not ready.

As for teaching affinity in schools, this seems hard to happen. Schools are so slow to adapt, by the time they will find out about affinity we will all be dead from old age.

The thing is the right "school" doesn't teach you programs, the right school teach you design so you can apply it as you see fit with the tools you choose. They will teach you a program or two, but just so you can find a job once you are out there in the wild. From there on is up to you to learn the right tools for what you want to do and not just blindly follow some stupid mantras like "designers use macs and adobe only". Designers use charcoal and paper if they see they are more suited for what they want to design.

After all most of what I learned in college was for adobe CS3, most of the things from there does no longer apply and the books I have are only good for fire-starters in my bbq now.
Not to mention the obsolete programs like adobe flash and director.

Tools evolve, change, die, are remade from scratch. We simple can't be attached to them. I started playing with adobe programs that my uncle had in his mac when I was 15 years old back in 1996 , then I started playing with corel apps in my own pc that I was able to find in pirated cds, then I was testing every other possible program from macromedia, metacreations and all the other companies back then, in college I returned to adobe, I started using open source a few years back, now I turn to affinity, who knows tomorrow what I will find more suited to use?

Teaching specific programs is of no use to anyone, better learn design and go to a seminar or two to learn about the programs you want. Or learn them yourself, the internet is a huge resource if you use it wisely. I wonder what I could learn back then I was younger and had all this free time that I was spending trying to get as much info as possible from limited resources like printed publications, if I had access to the info I have today (or at least I wish I had the time now :P )


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1 hour ago, Alfred said:

 

Serif has a dozen developers; Adobe has hundreds.

Too many cooks spoil the porridge. (German proverb)


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17 hours ago, nwhit said:

 

A key difference is/was that Adobe had already bought what was a very mature (at the time) PageMaker from Aldus (as well as FreeHand). During the transition, many of us kept on using PageMaker until InDesign caught up. But we always had a translator to go back and open PageMaker docs in InDesign for quite some time. Our work was not hugely interrupted nor did we face an issue where what we were doing and creating in PageMaker would be "lost" later when moving to the newer InDesign. Many of us weren't thrilled at the time about having to eventually move to ID, but at least Adobe did a somewhat reasonable job of helping the transition of PM files to ID.

 

Thus we have to hope that Affinity can/will be able to offer a similar path. We will have to eventually be able to bring our legacy files into their Publisher app, and sooner would obviously be better for a more rapid adoption of the new app. Just like many apps can open, read and save-as Word documents in word processing, ID files are critical to many pro designers and shops.

Yep, many (including myself) did keep using PM. I used it up to version 7.0x. However, Aldus had already lost this war with Quark. Most professional design studios, publishers and ad agencies had moved on to QXP long before ID came onto the scene. And were continuing to do so even when ID 1.x hit the scene. The real transition started when ID 2.0 came along esp for Mac users as it was OSX ready. QPX users had to wait till version 6.0 for this 'feature'. And with version 3.0 of ID, it was a no-brainer as it was part of the then new Creative Suite version 1.0. For the cost of Photoshop and Illustrator, you effectively got ID bundled for free at the same price os QXP, give or take a little. 

As far as Affinity Publisher is concerned, I think the main thing in the first version is first to get it ready. And then make sure it covers all the basics. I would not expect it to be as 'fully featured' as QXP or ID at this point. And it may never be if we were to bullet point EVERY feature. However, I also expect it'll do certain things quicker and better. Besides, perhaps we need to remember the 80/20 rule where only 20% of the features of many increasingly complex programs such as Word, Photoshop, Illustrator etc. are used by 80% of their customers.

What I would like to see perhaps is the development of plug-ins for Affinity. I guess enough users will have to employ Affinity progs in order for a plug-in developer to be interested. And even then, they may not be interested as Adobe casts such a loooong shadow.

P.S. Can Affinity Designer and Photo make use of Photoshop plug-ins?

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I have taken the trouble to list the features that I think should be available in the first version of APub. It is not a matter of implementing as many functions as possible, but of creating a solid and stable layout program. I think most of these things Serif has already planned.

01. rulers and auxiliary lines
02. sample pages
03. page pagination and section numbering
04. basic graphic shapes (line, rectangle, ellipse, polygon)
05. the ability to edit objects and paths
06. boolean operators
07. concatenated text frames
08. paragraph and character formats (but better than in AD)
09. possibility to convert text to paths
10. Placing text in arbitrary objects (shape typeset)
11. place text on paths (text path)
12. place text around paths (contour guidance)
13. baseline grid
14. consideration of sentence errors (hurian children, cobbler's boys ...)
15. spell checking and hyphenation
16. Optical Margin alignment (Text)
17. tabs
18. search and replace
19. colours and colour gradients
20. effects (like drop shadows, 3D, etc. - like in AP and AD)
21. interpret transparent areas in images (TIFF)
22. automatic tables of contents and indexes
23. levels
24. tables
25. (IDML import)
26. PDF export


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4 hours ago, Michail said:

I have taken the trouble to list the features that I think should be available in the first version of APub. It is not a matter of implementing as many functions as possible, but of creating a solid and stable layout program. I think most of these things Serif has already planned.

01. rulers and auxiliary lines
02. sample pages
03. page pagination and section numbering
04. basic graphic shapes (line, rectangle, ellipse, polygon)
05. the ability to edit objects and paths
06. boolean operators
07. concatenated text frames
08. paragraph and character formats (but better than in AD)
09. possibility to convert text to paths
10. Placing text in arbitrary objects (shape typeset)
11. place text on paths (text path)
12. place text around paths (contour guidance)
13. baseline grid
14. consideration of sentence errors (hurian children, cobbler's boys ...)
15. spell checking and hyphenation
16. Optical Margin alignment (Text)
17. tabs
18. search and replace
19. colours and colour gradients
20. effects (like drop shadows, 3D, etc. - like in AP and AD)
21. interpret transparent areas in images (TIFF)
22. automatic tables of contents and indexes
23. levels
24. tables
25. (IDML import)
26. PDF export

Would add to that the ability to save PDF's with spot colours and pantone colours. There was an issue with that early on with Designer. I think it has been rectified with later updates, I rarely use it honestly as I am comfortable with Adobe and prefer knowing exactly how my jobs will turn out rather then jumping in to something new. I will buy Publisher... hate the name.... as soon as it is released as it would be nice to have competition for Adobe Indesign, but think this will be a MASSIVE uphill battle fighting against an app that has been updated and improved throughout the years. 

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