MikeW Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Patrick Connor said: ...I am now out of this thread. Good luck getting any more honest answers in here for a while. Fed Up! It's a pity some people push all the wrong buttons for their own agenda. While you sit out for a while, Patrick, just remember that the vast majority of your customers, those who participate and those that don't, have no such agenda and likely, like myself, believe in Serif both as a company and as individuals such as yourself. I know I always have. So thanks to you and the rest of the Serif people. Mike Apfelbeckchen, Przemysław, NilsFinken and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapher Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, MikeW said: So thanks to you and the rest of the Serif people. Yepp, +1, im really greatful for first fair competition to adobe subscription. NilsFinken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, grapher said: Yepp, +1, im really greatful for first fair competition to adobe subscription. I have plenty of choices that keep me out of the Adobe subscription scheme. Even so, for some clients I need to rent for a month, rarely two months, while I do their projects. For those whom want me to use ID, most simply care that I use a version of ID so I use my CS6 version. The majority don't care what I use and/or desire QXP files be returned. A few want me to use Viva Designer, so I use that. Once in a blue moon I have used Scribus as that's what I needed to return. My post, though, had nothing to do with alternatives to Adobe. It had everything to do with the Patrick & Co. that I have "known" since I purchased my first license for PP and the time spent beta testing, participating on the forum that preceded Community Plus for the Plus range and still do somewhat. I trust and respect the people behind only two companies. Serif is one of those. SrPx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Neil Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 We are an ADOBE FREE studio, We use NITRO PDF and not even Acrobat!!!!! So Affinity is a blessing!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Sam Neil said: We are an ADOBE FREE studio, We use NITRO PDF and not even Acrobat!!!!! So Affinity is a blessing!!!! I use Acrobat XI. I decided not to purchase a perpetual license version of Acrobat DC, but I did purchase a license of pdfToolbox from callas. They are the ones who license the code and routines to Adobe for the preflight stuff in Acrobat. I cannot imagine working in print without one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeW said: It's a pity some people push all the wrong buttons for their own agenda. While you sit out for a while, Patrick, just remember that the vast majority of your customers, those who participate and those that don't, have no such agenda and likely, like myself, believe in Serif both as a company and as individuals such as yourself. I know I always have. +1 I want to ask Patrick not to leave but I get it when your BS meter hits overflow SrPx 1 Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Oval said: Well, Patrick Connor wrote it here: “We are not planning to offer any free products”, which was definitely shocking in that moment. And to conceal such and similar mistakes, texts and announcements are tacitly changed. Called cheat software in Germany. Very popular in automotive industry. I really am not seeing your point, especially the tone of it. You do not get a free program. If they change their minds and give you one, be thankful. If they don't and you have to pay full boat along with the reat of us Still, be thankful If you really find them so dishonest, dump Serif and go with another product where they treat you the way you envision It is really that simple Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Przemysław Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Sam Neil said: We are an ADOBE FREE studio, We use NITRO PDF and not even Acrobat!!!!! So Affinity is a blessing!!!! At my work we have mostly Nuance and Nitro for PDFs (~400 employees). There are only few Adobe CC subscriptions (we will probably need to keep some as files from external contractors are made in Adobe). When Affinity Publisher (does Serif consider changing the name, please?) is in the final version, there will be possibility to get rid of some CC subscriptions and move people to Affinity products. I wish it will happen, as Photo and Designer are a great piece of software. The big plus is for customer engagement on this forum. :-) W11, Dell G5, i7, 64GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2600, Wacom Intuos Pro M + iPad Pro 2018. sakrajda.eu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyg9 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Adobe won't give me a discount on CC (I don't want it nor would I "subscribe" to any software) even though I have purchased at least 3 cycles of Creative Suite and still sparingly use InDesign CS 5.5. And AuthorAuthor is right. $50 US dollars is cheap. Hell, I'd even pay twice that and I'd still be saving over the Adobe monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Przemysław Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, dannyg9 said: And AuthorAuthor is right. $50 US dollars is cheap. Hell, I'd even pay twice that and I'd still be saving over the Adobe monster. £49 is only ~12 pints in the pub. Worth it! dannyg9 1 W11, Dell G5, i7, 64GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2600, Wacom Intuos Pro M + iPad Pro 2018. sakrajda.eu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyg9 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Przemysław said: £49 is only ~12 pints in the pub. Worth it! Hmmmm. . . If you're right, I've just save $50! I'll join you in the pub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, Rick G said: I really am not seeing your point, especially the tone of it. You do not get a free program. Sorry, we do not want free programs. We never wrote that we want a free program! But Serif wrote that they will not offer any free products. But they did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Rick G said: Still, be thankful We purchase software. It is really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Oval said: Sorry, we do not want free programs. We never wrote that we want a free program! But Serif wrote that they will not offer any free products. But they did! Even for a pedant like me there were more than enough contextual cues to make Patrick’s meaning clear. Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, αℓƒяє∂ said: more than enough contextual cues to make Patrick’s meaning clear. Sorry, not for us. We were shocked of "not planning to offer any free products“ and we could not imagine that this could have any other meaning than that Serif has changed his strategy.* Some of the promotional free products that we have devised were destroyed in one fell swoop. :-( *From a software company that claimed to have created the “most precise vector graphic design software”, we also expect a precise and clear communication. Our fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinko Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 hey, any indication when the ID replacement is coming out ? Sorry, if this is in the thread somewhere. Greetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, spinko said: the ID replacement Serif never claimed anything like that. APu will not be such a thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Oval said: Sorry, not for us. We were shocked of "not planning to offer any free products“ and we could not imagine that this could have any other meaning than that Serif has changed his strategy.* Some of the promotional free products that we have devised were destroyed in one fell swoop. :-( *From a software company that claimed to have created the “most precise vector graphic design software”, we also expect a precise and clear communication. Our fault! What exactly do you want and expect? If they have changed strategy (and I am not conceding that point), so what? You say you don't want free software but that sems to be central to all your complaints What exactly do you want? Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, Rick G said: You say you don't want free software but that sems to be central to all your complaints Where? When? You seem to confuse us with others. And you confuse “products” with Affinity range products. We never wrote that we want a free Affinity app but promotional stuff like free trials should not be canceled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 15 hours ago, Oval said: Sorry, not for us. We were shocked of "not planning to offer any free products“ and we could not imagine that this could have any other meaning than that Serif has changed his strategy.* Some of the promotional free products that we have devised were destroyed in one fell swoop. :-( I am not going to keep running to g et quotes for you. You should remember what you said over a 10 minute span ... or am I starting to smell troll farts? Oval 1 Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Przemysław Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, dannyg9 said: Hmmmm. . . If you're right, I've just save $50! I'll join you in the pub! Why not? I'll pay for ADesigner and you'll pay for APhoto, then we can go testing beta version of APublisher afterwards. 100 quid spent in the pub and all sorted. :-) dannyg9 1 W11, Dell G5, i7, 64GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2600, Wacom Intuos Pro M + iPad Pro 2018. sakrajda.eu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oval Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Rick G said: If they have changed strategy (and I am not conceding that point) Of course they did not. We only discussed the situation before Patrick Connor corrected his old post because you asked us. Before that it seemed like Serif changed the stategy to give away stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Oval said: Sorry, not for us. We were shocked of "not planning to offer any free products“ and we could not imagine that this could have any other meaning than that Serif has changed his strategy.* Some of the promotional free products that we have devised were destroyed in one fell swoop. :-( *From a software company that claimed to have created the “most precise vector graphic design software”, we also expect a precise and clear communication. Our fault! This thread is about Affinity Publisher. In that context, it was obvious to me that “not planning to offer any free products” was shorthand for “not planning to offer any free Affinity software products”. Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 The more specific context was that Patrick was responding to a poster who said APub should be free. Patrick's post immediately followed that bone headed post. If Oval cannot understand that then an ESL course is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Neil Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 12 hours ago, MikeW said: I use Acrobat XI. I decided not to purchase a perpetual license version of Acrobat DC, but I did purchase a license of pdfToolbox from callas. They are the ones who license the code and routines to Adobe for the preflight stuff in Acrobat. I cannot imagine working in print without one or the other. We have managed for years beautifully. As for our relationship with Serif, it goes back for more than 20 years with PP Version 3 !!!! Just finished a book using X9, just gutted that the work cannot be submitted to Affinity as it was made on a legacy product. I find that unfair as in the absence of APub there was not much we could do. Hope Tony & Team reconsider their rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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