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Starting in beta 1.6.0.84, When I select an object and paste it as a new layer the object is shifted to the left yet the selection "ants" stay with the original selection

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Hey Rick G,

 

I believe we made this change recently because users were pasting but failed to notice the paste as it was in the same position leading users to believe the paste hadn't worked, so we decided to paste it slightly offset. It works for some people but not everyone. I'm not sure if we will decide to keep it this way as we've been hearing a bit of extra noise since the change. I'll pass your comments on though. 

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If that's a permanent change we definitely need a Paste in Place command


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53 minutes ago, Chris B said:

Hey Rick G,

 

I believe we made this change recently because users were pasting but failed to notice the paste as it was in the same position leading users to believe the paste hadn't worked, so we decided to paste it slightly offset. It works for some people but not everyone. I'm not sure if we will decide to keep it this way as we've been hearing a bit of extra noise since the change. I'll pass your comments on though. 

I am not quick to call something "bad" but if that is in there by design ... it is pretty bad. It has a use for only the most basic user. The problem would be better solved with an arrow showing the new layer or something like that. Now I have to investigate what effect this has on masking and God knows what else.

I imagine this could be a deal breaker for some. This is pretty bad behavior


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While you look into this, can you please also have a look at the related "copy and paste" problem that has been haunting Affinity Photo since the first Beta... See:
 

 

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5 hours ago, Chris B said:

Hey Rick G,

 

I believe we made this change recently because users were pasting but failed to notice the paste as it was in the same position leading users to believe the paste hadn't worked, so we decided to paste it slightly offset. It works for some people but not everyone. I'm not sure if we will decide to keep it this way as we've been hearing a bit of extra noise since the change. I'll pass your comments on though. 

I'm not a fan of moving the paste, much prefer the AD way where paste remains in place. It makes working with pasted objects so much easier - it's simple when you know this is the app behaviour, a simple check in the Layers' Panel will show what has happened.


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I would think this would be a major put-off for new customers. I do a lot of cutting out and pasting to a new layer. It freaked me out! I was looking all over for what setting I might have invoked to cause a copy to paste half off the screen;  It is making a lot of extra work that is for sure

 

Serif Marketing: What is the expected reaction to your statements that this is a photoshop replacement and then the photoshop users run into this?


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I believe it is similar to what we did in PhotoPlus. Paste as New Layer would paste the object offset and I think this is what our old customers were asking for. Whether it is the right decision or not is up to development. We are not a Photoshop clone.

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3 hours ago, Chris B said:

I believe it is similar to what we did in PhotoPlus. Paste as New Layer would paste the object offset and I think this is what our old customers were asking for. Whether it is the right decision or not is up to development. We are not a Photoshop clone.

I think I used the word replacement. When it first came out your staff said (at first)  it was a  PhotoPlus replacement but then changed when all the tools were missing in Affinity *cutout studio etc)

That feature might not be so bad if there is a chance to turn it OFF when precision work is needed but why in God's name was such a bug introduced in the first place? Seriously, I do not understand


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As far as I know, we've never insinuated it was a replacement for PhotoPlus but an entirely new app completely separate of the Plus range. One of the Windows developers came through earlier and said he wants to change the current behaviour from how it is now back to how it was (placing it in the same place you cut/copied it from) so I'll update this thread once I've had official feedback from the Windows lead. 

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4 hours ago, Chris B said:

I believe it is similar to what we did in PhotoPlus. Paste as New Layer would paste the object offset and I think this is what our old customers were asking for. Whether it is the right decision or not is up to development. We are not a Photoshop clone.

 

Doesn’t ‘Paste as New Layer’ simply paste in the top left-hand corner of the image, Chris? If you want to put a copy of a selected region directly on top of the original in PhotoPlus you can use ‘New Layer From Selection Copy’ (which has the same effect, of course, as ‘Duplicate’ in the Affinity apps).

 

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As far as I know, we've never insinuated it was a replacement for PhotoPlus but an entirely new app completely separate of the Plus range.

 

I think the ‘replacement’ confusion arose because your sales staff were telling customers that PhotoPlus was being replaced (in the product lineup) by Affinity Photo, and this was perceived as being no different from replacing PhPX7 with PhPX8.


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1 hour ago, Alfred said:

 

Doesn’t ‘Paste as New Layer’ simply paste in the top left-hand corner of the image, Chris? If you want to put a copy of a selected region directly on top of the original in PhotoPlus you can use ‘New Layer From Selection Copy’ (which has the same effect, of course, as ‘Duplicate’ in the Affinity apps).

 

 

I think the ‘replacement’ confusion arose because your sales staff were telling customers that PhotoPlus was being replaced (in the product lineup) by Affinity Photo, and this was perceived as being no different from replacing PhPX7 with PhPX8.

That was the case when they first released and were presenting it as a replacement. I was corrected when I went looking for the cutout studio ... :D

There are a lot action out there where Affinity products are being compared with their Adobe counterparts as less expensive replacements. I hope the marketing people help Serif to stay focused on this little comparison goldmine and not get too far off the reservation with the oddities or if someone is invested in them, make a way out so workflows can stay clean


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The issue I've got is that to do really accurate editing you need an exact paste match, nothing to do with how other software works. Loosing that functionality is a mistake (frankly a big misjudgement imo). Please don't make it a separate additional command make it a preferences option if you really feel the need.

 

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51 minutes ago, harrym said:

The issue I've got is that to do really accurate editing you need an exact paste match, nothing to do with how other software works. Loosing that functionality is a mistake (frankly a big misjudgement imo). Please don't make it a separate additional command make it a preferences option if you really feel the need.

 

Amen to that. I cut out 3 sections from a photo and pasted to a new layer. I kept turning layers on and off as all that seemed to be on the new layer were the selection andts.. It had pasted it OFF THE CANVAS which I found by zooming out and no longer had any connection to the"selection"

I could have cried 


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On 10/5/2017 at 6:27 AM, Chris B said:

As far as I know, we've never insinuated it was a replacement for PhotoPlus but an entirely new app completely separate of the Plus range. One of the Windows developers came through earlier and said he wants to change the current behaviour from how it is now back to how it was (placing it in the same place you cut/copied it from) so I'll update this thread once I've had official feedback from the Windows lead. 

This behavior is still in beta 1.6.0.85. Do you have any news?

I can envision uses for offset pasting but as a rule it makes a mess for my workflow but an OPTION to invoke (or suppress) that behavior would work

Also as to not insinuating it is a photoshop  replacement. All your advertising and some of the tutorials suggest just that - the Affinity family is a less expensive alternatives to Photoshop and Illustrator. The more you deviate from the workflow of those programs the less of a contender you will be. You may find yourselves basically back to Photoplus (a great program for sure,  but not a contender for the Adobe market)

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Any news would be available on the patch notes with each beta. If something isn't mentioned, you can assume it hasn't been fixed. Development prioritise their own issues which we have no control over unfortunately. I'm sure they will get around to addressing at some point. 

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Thanks Chris


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This seems to be fixed in 1.6.0.86

Thanks!


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