Rick G Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Starting in beta 1.6.0.84, When I select an object and paste it as a new layer the object is shifted to the left yet the selection "ants" stay with the original selection Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Chris B Posted October 4, 2017 Staff Share Posted October 4, 2017 Hey Rick G, I believe we made this change recently because users were pasting but failed to notice the paste as it was in the same position leading users to believe the paste hadn't worked, so we decided to paste it slightly offset. It works for some people but not everyone. I'm not sure if we will decide to keep it this way as we've been hearing a bit of extra noise since the change. I'll pass your comments on though. How to format a bug report | Learning Resources | List of V2 FAQs | YouTube Tutorials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 If that's a permanent change we definitely need a Paste in Place command Patrick Connor, harrym, Chris B and 1 other 4 To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Chris B Posted October 4, 2017 Staff Share Posted October 4, 2017 I think that would be the solution.. carl123 1 How to format a bug report | Learning Resources | List of V2 FAQs | YouTube Tutorials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 53 minutes ago, Chris B said: Hey Rick G, I believe we made this change recently because users were pasting but failed to notice the paste as it was in the same position leading users to believe the paste hadn't worked, so we decided to paste it slightly offset. It works for some people but not everyone. I'm not sure if we will decide to keep it this way as we've been hearing a bit of extra noise since the change. I'll pass your comments on though. I am not quick to call something "bad" but if that is in there by design ... it is pretty bad. It has a use for only the most basic user. The problem would be better solved with an arrow showing the new layer or something like that. Now I have to investigate what effect this has on masking and God knows what else. I imagine this could be a deal breaker for some. This is pretty bad behavior Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert00000 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 While you look into this, can you please also have a look at the related "copy and paste" problem that has been haunting Affinity Photo since the first Beta... See: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Cope Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 5 hours ago, Chris B said: Hey Rick G, I believe we made this change recently because users were pasting but failed to notice the paste as it was in the same position leading users to believe the paste hadn't worked, so we decided to paste it slightly offset. It works for some people but not everyone. I'm not sure if we will decide to keep it this way as we've been hearing a bit of extra noise since the change. I'll pass your comments on though. I'm not a fan of moving the paste, much prefer the AD way where paste remains in place. It makes working with pasted objects so much easier - it's simple when you know this is the app behaviour, a simple check in the Layers' Panel will show what has happened. myclay, Rick G and Jonopen 3 Windows 11 Pro 64bit ¤ AMD Threadripper 3990x ¤ Nvidia RTX 3090 ¤ 256GB DDR4 Ram ¤ ROG Zenith II Extreme Alpha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 I would think this would be a major put-off for new customers. I do a lot of cutting out and pasting to a new layer. It freaked me out! I was looking all over for what setting I might have invoked to cause a copy to paste half off the screen; It is making a lot of extra work that is for sure Serif Marketing: What is the expected reaction to your statements that this is a photoshop replacement and then the photoshop users run into this? Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Chris B Posted October 5, 2017 Staff Share Posted October 5, 2017 I believe it is similar to what we did in PhotoPlus. Paste as New Layer would paste the object offset and I think this is what our old customers were asking for. Whether it is the right decision or not is up to development. We are not a Photoshop clone. AiDon 1 How to format a bug report | Learning Resources | List of V2 FAQs | YouTube Tutorials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Chris B said: I believe it is similar to what we did in PhotoPlus. Paste as New Layer would paste the object offset and I think this is what our old customers were asking for. Whether it is the right decision or not is up to development. We are not a Photoshop clone. I think I used the word replacement. When it first came out your staff said (at first) it was a PhotoPlus replacement but then changed when all the tools were missing in Affinity *cutout studio etc) That feature might not be so bad if there is a chance to turn it OFF when precision work is needed but why in God's name was such a bug introduced in the first place? Seriously, I do not understand Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Chris B Posted October 5, 2017 Staff Share Posted October 5, 2017 As far as I know, we've never insinuated it was a replacement for PhotoPlus but an entirely new app completely separate of the Plus range. One of the Windows developers came through earlier and said he wants to change the current behaviour from how it is now back to how it was (placing it in the same place you cut/copied it from) so I'll update this thread once I've had official feedback from the Windows lead. How to format a bug report | Learning Resources | List of V2 FAQs | YouTube Tutorials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 4 hours ago, Chris B said: I believe it is similar to what we did in PhotoPlus. Paste as New Layer would paste the object offset and I think this is what our old customers were asking for. Whether it is the right decision or not is up to development. We are not a Photoshop clone. Doesn’t ‘Paste as New Layer’ simply paste in the top left-hand corner of the image, Chris? If you want to put a copy of a selected region directly on top of the original in PhotoPlus you can use ‘New Layer From Selection Copy’ (which has the same effect, of course, as ‘Duplicate’ in the Affinity apps). 54 minutes ago, Chris B said: As far as I know, we've never insinuated it was a replacement for PhotoPlus but an entirely new app completely separate of the Plus range. I think the ‘replacement’ confusion arose because your sales staff were telling customers that PhotoPlus was being replaced (in the product lineup) by Affinity Photo, and this was perceived as being no different from replacing PhPX7 with PhPX8. Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Alfred said: Doesn’t ‘Paste as New Layer’ simply paste in the top left-hand corner of the image, Chris? If you want to put a copy of a selected region directly on top of the original in PhotoPlus you can use ‘New Layer From Selection Copy’ (which has the same effect, of course, as ‘Duplicate’ in the Affinity apps). I think the ‘replacement’ confusion arose because your sales staff were telling customers that PhotoPlus was being replaced (in the product lineup) by Affinity Photo, and this was perceived as being no different from replacing PhPX7 with PhPX8. That was the case when they first released and were presenting it as a replacement. I was corrected when I went looking for the cutout studio ... There are a lot action out there where Affinity products are being compared with their Adobe counterparts as less expensive replacements. I hope the marketing people help Serif to stay focused on this little comparison goldmine and not get too far off the reservation with the oddities or if someone is invested in them, make a way out so workflows can stay clean Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrym Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 The issue I've got is that to do really accurate editing you need an exact paste match, nothing to do with how other software works. Loosing that functionality is a mistake (frankly a big misjudgement imo). Please don't make it a separate additional command make it a preferences option if you really feel the need. Ken Cope, Rick G and myclay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 51 minutes ago, harrym said: The issue I've got is that to do really accurate editing you need an exact paste match, nothing to do with how other software works. Loosing that functionality is a mistake (frankly a big misjudgement imo). Please don't make it a separate additional command make it a preferences option if you really feel the need. Amen to that. I cut out 3 sections from a photo and pasted to a new layer. I kept turning layers on and off as all that seemed to be on the new layer were the selection andts.. It had pasted it OFF THE CANVAS which I found by zooming out and no longer had any connection to the"selection" I could have cried Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 On 10/5/2017 at 6:27 AM, Chris B said: As far as I know, we've never insinuated it was a replacement for PhotoPlus but an entirely new app completely separate of the Plus range. One of the Windows developers came through earlier and said he wants to change the current behaviour from how it is now back to how it was (placing it in the same place you cut/copied it from) so I'll update this thread once I've had official feedback from the Windows lead. This behavior is still in beta 1.6.0.85. Do you have any news? I can envision uses for offset pasting but as a rule it makes a mess for my workflow but an OPTION to invoke (or suppress) that behavior would work Also as to not insinuating it is a photoshop replacement. All your advertising and some of the tutorials suggest just that - the Affinity family is a less expensive alternatives to Photoshop and Illustrator. The more you deviate from the workflow of those programs the less of a contender you will be. You may find yourselves basically back to Photoplus (a great program for sure, but not a contender for the Adobe market) Thanks Bert00000 1 Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Chris B Posted October 12, 2017 Staff Share Posted October 12, 2017 Any news would be available on the patch notes with each beta. If something isn't mentioned, you can assume it hasn't been fixed. Development prioritise their own issues which we have no control over unfortunately. I'm sure they will get around to addressing at some point. Rick G and Alfred 2 How to format a bug report | Learning Resources | List of V2 FAQs | YouTube Tutorials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 Thanks Chris Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 This seems to be fixed in 1.6.0.86 Thanks! Dave Quail 1 Affinity Designer 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Affinity Photo 2.2.2075 beta 2.3.1.2212Affinity Publisher 2.2.2075 & beta 2.3.1.2212 Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 22621.1928 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert00000 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Also the copy and paste function using the Marquee Tool, including the use of Quick Mask to alter the selection, seems to have been fixed. Thanks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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