Affinity products for Linux

[MattyWS]

49 minutes ago, 1stn00b said:

Comparing Gimp or any other open-source software to Blender is very unfair, since the latest has the cashflow to sustain development and also a pool of developers available from bigger companies.

But yes, like u said Gimp, InkScape are not user friendly to the "default people" that can't change preferences :>

I disagree that comparing gimp and blender is unfair. I specifically said gimp needs to have that backing to succeed, not that gimp isn't succeeding despite having some kind of backing.

Also if the "default" is not user friendly thats the problem of the application not people IMO. Why would it be non-user friendly by default on purpose?

[1stn00b]

Well that user friendliness wording backfired, when in fact i wanted to say that the out-of-box interface of Gimp is  FUGLY but not use so harsh words ; >

At least on Gnome we have adw-gtk3  theme that does wonders for older apps. Combining that with Gradiance tool and u get the idea  : >

 

 

[Unleavened Tech]

Affinity 2.0? No Linux support in 2022? No way I'm supporting this company again... And I don't recommend anyone else to do so either.

Look for alternatives:

• Inkscape: Honestly, Inkscape isn't as bad as I used to think. It's a pretty okay and capable vector editing application. The UI and UX do take some time to get used to, but it is a real Illustrator / Designer alternative, and even has features that Affinity Designer doesn't.
• GIMP: On the other hand, GIMP is still where it used to be 20 years ago: it's an alternative to Adobe Photoshop 1.0. GIMP is still stuck at GTK 2 I believe, so it is not really developed that much anymore, so that's why it's so behind any other photo editing application like Photoshop or Affinity Photo.
• Krita: Still missing some features, but more actively developed than GIMP, and it already is more capable than GIMP.
• Photoshop / Illustrator: There are methods for getting both to work on Wine, although they are older versions (2018 I think).
• Photoshop Web: It's an online version of Adobe Photoshop, available for free (as in free beer, not as in freedom). You do need an Adobe account though.
• Photopea: Another online photo editor, also available for free (as in free beer, not as in freedom). Better compatibility with PSD formats than Affinity Photo. Pretty capable.
• MiniPaint: Free & open-source online photo editor, quite new, so it lacks a lot of features, but still has some that GIMP lacks. Might be useful in the future.
• Pinta: Free & open-source alternative to Paint.net.
• Gravit Designer: vector graphics application.

[jaizon]

19 minutes ago, Unleavened Tech said:

Affinity 2.0? No Linux support in 2022? No way I'm supporting this company again... And I don't recommend anyone else to do so either.

Look for alternatives:

• Inkscape: Honestly, Inkscape isn't as bad as I used to think. It's a pretty okay and capable vector editing application. The UI and UX do take some time to get used to, but it is a real Illustrator / Designer alternative, and even has features that Affinity Designer doesn't.
• GIMP: On the other hand, GIMP is still where it used to be 20 years ago: it's an alternative to Adobe Photoshop 1.0. GIMP is still stuck at GTK 2 I believe, so it is not really developed that much anymore, so that's why it's so behind any other photo editing application like Photoshop or Affinity Photo.
• Krita: Still missing some features, but more actively developed than GIMP, and it already is more capable than GIMP.
• Photoshop / Illustrator: There are methods for getting both to work on Wine, although they are older versions (2018 I think).
• Photoshop Web: It's an online version of Adobe Photoshop, available for free (as in free beer, not as in freedom). You do need an Adobe account though.
• Photopea: Another online photo editor, also available for free (as in free beer, not as in freedom). Better compatibility with PSD formats than Affinity Photo. Pretty capable.
• MiniPaint: Free & open-source online photo editor, quite new, so it lacks a lot of features, but still has some that GIMP lacks. Might be useful in the future.
• Pinta: Free & open-source alternative to Paint.net.
• Gravit Designer: vector graphics application.

That's a strange statement. You are trying to "punish" a company for not doing something you wanted it to do but which it never said it would and that expressed in many situations it wouldn't? hum...

[MattyWS]

Yea, I've accepted that Serif have chosen not to support the Linux platform (regardless of if I disagree with that choice it's theirs to make). No need to act out and try to punish them for it. I just wish they'd develop their applications in such a way that it would be truly cross platform (or at least make it work via wine)

[1stn00b]

Just noticed we are being archived - down to the trash bin of history - along with V1 software : >

[jaizon]

2 minutes ago, 1stn00b said:

along with V1 software : >

I guess a lot of people will keep using V1 though, since not everyone will need the new features. And now that it the software itself won't change anymore, maybe people will get it to work better in linux? like CS6 PS or something!

[1stn00b]

V2 will need more years of development to actually become V2, atleast from what i'm seeing in the forum comments.

Since i couldn't even install it on W10 i can't confirm or infirm on what they are saying but my logic tells me that they probably dedicated the development time, since they stoped updating V1, to make Publisher for Ipad and in the last minute decided to trow out a V2 of all their software.

[jaizon]

Just now, 1stn00b said:

V2 will need more years of development to actually become V2, atleast from what i'm seeing in the forum comments.

Since i couldn't even install it on W10 i can't confirm or infirm on what they are saying but my logic tells me that they probably dedicated the development time to make Publisher for Ipad and in the last minute decided to trow out a V2 of all their software.

Can't install it on W10?

[1stn00b]

See on last page :

Also i have like 7 x 140 WCLibs in there and  the great MSIX Microsoft installer even left garbage in there from failed V2 install

 

[walt.farrell]

8 minutes ago, 1stn00b said:

Since i couldn't even install it on W10

On an up-to-date Win10 system you should be able to install it.

[walt.farrell]

21 minutes ago, 1stn00b said:

Just noticed we are being archived - down to the trash bin of history - along with V1 software : >

The archived threads should remain available, so you'll be able to continue the discussions here.

[jaizon]

4 minutes ago, 1stn00b said:

See on last page :

 

That's probably your PC though. Usually installing latest Visual C++ packages solve those kind of errors.

You could try downloading and instilling x86 and x64 versions from here https://learn.microsoft.com/en-US/cpp/windows/latest-supported-vc-redist?view=msvc-170

[1stn00b]

Do you actually think i have time to waste on that trash OS called W10. Wasn't Windows suppose to be noob friendly ? The message is very clear : Ask developer for the WCLibs

[walt.farrell]

15 minutes ago, 1stn00b said:

Do you actually think i have time to waste on that trash OS called W10. Wasn't Windows suppose to be noob friendly ?

And it is, if you keep it updated (which is also easy).

If you think of it as trash, and ignore it, and don't keep it updated, then you get the trash you expected.

[1stn00b]

It's up to date - latest version of Microsoft Landfill aka Store, that was the 1st thing i opened when booting into W10 and after the WCLibs error -that btw are being updated thru the Store if u didn't know it.  Also i don't need Windows related troubleshooting because i was using it since W3.11 on an PC with Turbo button.  Why do you think i use Linux ?

[ShadeOn]

Same in my situation. I am used to Windows from 95 up to 10, but I prefer 7 or 8.1 as last true version. 10 is a joke and I use it only for "business".

Win 11 is even worse than 10 because of hardware discrimination (valid only for those who have CPU from 2019 onwards). While you can install W11 on those pre 2019, it gets sluggish (it has same code under the hood but uses a different store which is in the center of the OS); and if it has Win10 on it, somehow miraculously works normal.

(Even the 7 or 8.1 have their problems also, I agree (for example 7 didn't have internet connection driver out-of-box, and it had to be installed with the client's mainboard driver CD back in old days), while 8.1 had good Win7 fixes but had that Metro thing for tablets as default for all devices.)

After the major updates fiasco with forced updates ...the one where HDDs were formatted "for free, out of charge, not accidentally", the HP or whatever brand that had drivers and functionality problems (only those with that brand had this great feature experience), the latest one in 2020 which in summer, all images were corrupted and couldn't be printed straight forward (all had to be forced converted into PDF and most small copy business centers used some free online PDF converters) and even Wacom drivers had problems in Windows... (on one hand.. if after one update, wacom drivers didn't work 100% alright, Wacom fixed it, then after another update it was broken again, and irony.. reverting to a previous driver version fixed it (LOL) and it was clear that it wasn't a Wacom driver thing from the start)

So from this situation, I prefer to use Win 10 in a virtual box, and have Linux Ubuntu (or Ubuntu Studio / Debian later on if I switch distribution, still with .deb or snap) for a safety measure. W10 is not trusted enough to let it be a main OS on a working PC/Laptop (with internet cable in it, day by day)

At Linux and Mac there are not such fake troubleshooting problems, if there are.. it's truly from let's say.. Wacom hardware/drivers and not the OS. (I am not talking about fresh releases of new Wacom devices which need some time until drivers and updated and such to work on OSs, this is normal. I talk about already working devices, released some time ago, and worked)

 

And don't say stuff like "you can now disable updates if you want". I know that, but it has a twisted side also that many didn't encounter. If you don't update the OS after 3 years (and do only small fixes updates and stuff), you will get a "expiration" notification and it's HIGHLY RECOMMENDED to update it. On 8 or 7 or XP , I could let it disabled even for 6+ years and it didn't happen this. Plus I had the possibility to choose only some updates to make which were needed. In the 10, if you didn't update for those 3 years (real case study from personal experience, repairing computers btw), once you started updating, it had to literally get EVERY SINGLE previous update in order, no skipping any minor or middle patches (even the ones with problems that were reported).

 

@MattyWS They can't change the present from the chosen path from the past. They chose to be tied to dedicated libraries that are tied to a OS (and adapt them individually, making many repeating tasks written differently) instead of making a universal app with their own home-made libraries, and then just do strings attach (like frameworks home-made) as minimum to dedicated libraries for each OS, for example for things that are not displaying the same (like in old days with Javascript displaying differently on browsers) and nowadays with webkit-like things. They had more power of control and just go forward being able to adapt to any scenario, and keeping their base unified.

We can only adapt to their choice by using virtual machines with w10, and we'll see in 5-10-15 years what happens (continuous development, or a new suite rewritten)

 

[1stn00b]

The only updates Windows is getting this days are for Microsoft Shit Network (MSN) Trash News, But it's not Google (Bing) search box and Recommended Ads in your Start Menu : >

[MattyWS]

2 hours ago, ShadeOn said:

@MattyWS They can't change the present from the chosen path from the past. They chose to be tied to dedicated libraries that are tied to a OS (and adapt them individually, making many repeating tasks written differently) instead of making a universal app with their own home-made libraries, and then just do strings attach (like frameworks home-made) as minimum to dedicated libraries for each OS, for example for things that are not displaying the same (like in old days with Javascript displaying differently on browsers) and nowadays with webkit-like things. They had more power of control and just go forward being able to adapt to any scenario, and keeping their base unified.

yup, thats really their own failing though and now they're limited with what the can do with the software they've made. It's a shame because affinity suite is great but yea, if they didn't have the foresight to make their software cross platform then it's a real shame. It seems to be unnecessarily hard work for Serif to support just the three platforms (windows, mac and iOS). Strange they'd support iOS but not android either, considering android has a larger market share than iOS.. if their reasoning is that there's more people on mac than linux.

[1stn00b]

I will simplify :

Windows is Microsoft OS

MacOS is Apple OS

Linux is my OS

[pattmayne]

You should make this available for Linux. You'd dominate that market because there simply isn't anything of Affinity's calibre available on Linux.

Side-note: lots of non-Linux users in this thread explaining to us how we won't pay for the software we're asking to pay for and how our PCs don't work. You're incorrect lol.

I refuse to use Windows or Mac and the only place where I feel the lack is graphics design in CMYK color space.

[1stn00b]

My 2 cent conclusion is the majority of Windows users that combat Linux never use it or they did it during the 2005-2010 Ubuntu trend for short period of time to be cool and that's their basic knowledge.

Also a big deterrent to Linux desktop adoption was and still is Novideo that can't or won't provide quality drivers that don't brick your whole system.

[bayustudio]

6 hours ago, MattyWS said:

yup, thats really their own failing though and now they're limited with what the can do with the software they've made. It's a shame because affinity suite is great but yea, if they didn't have the foresight to make their software cross platform then it's a real shame. It seems to be unnecessarily hard work for Serif to support just the three platforms (windows, mac and iOS). Strange they'd support iOS but not android either, considering android has a larger market share than iOS.. if their reasoning is that there's more people on mac than linux.

i think this is also the reason why Affinity can achieve such great performance in each supported platform 🙂
Also good marketing exposure from Apple or MS by using its tech.

Yeah unfortunately no Linux.

Maybe when affinity introducing web app version, Thats when it finally available for linux.

[MattyWS]

They could very literally have made affinity work like native through wine tbh. I know Serif said they won't be supporting linux, but it could have been kinda simple. Like some of the latest and greatest videogames that are being released with day 1 steamdeck support are actually just windows games, even though steamdeck is linux. That's how easy things are getting. Serif could dedicate a little time to wine development specifically for their product and be done, everyone on linux would have a working suite worth using.

Heck my company doesn't support a linux version of our game, but when it stopped working on steamdeck after an update my colleagues went out and got a steamdeck, fixed the issue and released a patch *just* for linux support, despite being a windows game. This honestly is how it should be. with software development. Devs should be passionate about getting their product into the hands of people that want it.

[1stn00b]

What game ? :>

Anyway i have hundreds of games in my Steam Library that work natively or thru Proton on my Fedora and those games were paid for just in case the anti-linux crowd think we don't pay for things and expect everything for free or open-source.

Many games i don't evem play, but bought them because they had native Linux support.