Affinity products for Linux

[nBlaze]

21 minutes ago, Pufty said:

Gotta be some paleolithic linux version you're using if you're having issues today. I've tried a couple and it's just plug and play. Literally kept around some USB drives and got bunch of different distributions or flavors on them.

Well, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. Last week I had to do urgent video conference - webcam on my main PC died and it suddenly turned out Linux really doesn't like the webcam in my Asus Transformer. After an hour of tinkering I just gave up and decided to just install Win11. Got everything working within 30 mins - preparing installer USB included.
 

Sure, went back to Linux afterwards - 2 hours of actually using Win11 was enough to make me hate it - but it's not always as simple as plug and play.

[OS1]

I've been using Linux since RedHat 5.2 and ejected WinDOS for home use when they went anal about licensing with XP. My work laptop has been purely Linux for the past 12 years, and on and off for 5 years before that. We currently have one laptop where Linux doesn't support the webcam and another where Win 10 no longer supports the webcam. However, we have many more laptops that won't get a look in for Win 11, but they'll happily run Ubuntu 21.10. I've had to rescue many more WinDOS installs using Linux than the other way around. It's very jarring when I have an IT support task on a WinDOS machine, the clunky UI, the constant disk thrashing and the unfathomable settings! I installed a Linux WinDOS look a like on an old i3 laptop for video conferencing and just left it in the conference room, no one even realised it wasn't WinDOS! I thought there'd be howls of indignation, but there was nothing. That's the laptop where Win 10 no longer supports the webcam and one of the ones which won't get Win 11, but it'll happily run the latest Ubuntu complete with webcam. Fans of any OS will happily throw mud at other OSes, without bothering to get to grips with the other OSes. There are plenty of foibles in Linux, and which ever desktop you run on it, there are plenty in macOS, but there are also plenty in WinDOS.

[Pufty]

1 hour ago, nBlaze said:

Well, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. Last week I had to do urgent video conference - webcam on my main PC died and it suddenly turned out Linux really doesn't like the webcam in my Asus Transformer. After an hour of tinkering I just gave up and decided to just install Win11. Got everything working within 30 mins - preparing installer USB included.
 

Sure, went back to Linux afterwards - 2 hours of actually using Win11 was enough to make me hate it - but it's not always as simple as plug and play.

Point taken. At home will try my laptop's cam by curiosity. It just ain't doom and gloom either. I was expecting 'doomsday' when I made the switch, thinking that I'm going to sacrifice all that I hold dear.

 

12 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

Installable programs too. Like Adobe. Like MS Office. You know, the sort of things which whether you or I like it, are the 'industry standards'.

And the industry can be (soft version) silly sometimes. I CUT the fat with adobe by going Affinity + Davinci to sate my needs, but Office? The Libre thing works fine. Worked from home handling excel sheets and had no trouble on day 1 of using the alternatives. Looks a bit different, but everything's there...

Nothing else other than Affinity comes to mind when I gotta ask myself of what I'm missing.

[Pufty]

4 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

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25 minutes ago, Pufty said:

The Libre thing works fine. Worked from home handling excel sheets and had no trouble on day 1 of using the alternatives. Looks a bit different, but everything's there...

I don't think I'm being misleading. Sure, take the 1 thing and apply it everywhere, but 'works fine' is pretty accurate. I didn't run into any issues. Your doom and gloom is what I would call misleading when I had considered switching to linux years back and I would constantly read how it's unstable, hardcore etc.

[msdobrescu]

8 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

I had to fill in a form made in MS Word. I tried LibreOffice and the results were unusable - LibreOffice could not render the form properly.

I dare you to write a bug report!

[OS1]

11 minutes ago, msdobrescu said:

I dare you to write a bug report!

It's not a question of daring. I've filed, and had fixed, issues with LibreOffice and other open source projects. I've not seen a bug reporting site for Microsoft products, maybe I've not looked hard enough or maybe they're just not interested in that bothersome lot the general public.

[msdobrescu]

13 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

Or I could stop wasting my time and use MS Office instead.

9 minutes ago, OS1 said:

It's not a question of daring.

For the guy it is.

[maor26]

Looks like this thread went somewhere else entirely.
If you aren't interested in using linux/affinity software on linux, just ignore this thread and stop looking for people to argue with.
As for affinity products on linux, A LOT of users(including me) would love to see them on linux and PAY for them just like every other
commercial platform doesn't matter the OS being used.
There are more than enough web developers, graphic designers and regular users that are using linux and need a better solution
that the currently available design software.
If someone from the affinity team is here, I would suggest making a survey to see some real numbers and post about it on twitter where a lot
of potential users are.
After that, maybe they can consider doing a linux version.

[Bez Bezson]

1 minute ago, LondonSquirrel said:

Linux is about 1% of the desktop market share. That's the real number.

Just because it's 1% of the desktop market doesn't mean it isn't more of the designers/publishers/artists/etc.

There's a much bigger proportion of Windows users that just surf the web and play games on their PC than there is of Linux users.

What proportion of people with a PC have Linux is pretty meaningless to this discussion. What matters is the proportion of Affiniy's target demographics that use Linux.

[maor26]

17 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

As soon as the real number is revealed, the Linux people would say it's wrong and the mythical 'true number' is more than that.

Linux is about 1% of the desktop market share. That's the real number.

Dude just stop being a troll on the internet...there are enough trolls on other sites.
Whether it'll make them want to make a linux version or not, at least that way they'll know the numbers.
After all, it's their decision and their decision only.
And if they do decide ti make a linux version, there is a plus...adobe isn't there to take any part of that market share.

[D’T4ils]

Don’t you have anything better to do with your time other than trolling around this forum, LondonRascal? The other thread related to this same topic got closed solely because of you. Does this give you some kind of mental reward, you freaking sociopath?

Since he will probably continue on his idiotic quest, I ask you guys to stop enabling him. Just ignore his wannabe comments. As easy as that.

Thank you 😘

[GuernseyMan]

They already know the numbers. Or if they don't they shouldn't be in business. Serif will have done proper market research based on very specific demographics, not on a straw poll of people on the forums who say they wang Affinity on Linux. 

When it's appropriate, and makes a sound business case, they will allocate resources to the port. It might be next week, next year or never. Whatever is decided it won't be because of pressure from the forums. 

As  I said before; personally I would love to see Affinity on Linux, as long as it doesn't stretch Serif too thinly. 

[MattyWS]

1 hour ago, LondonSquirrel said:

Unfortunately this is where you do the 'year of the Linux desktop' a disservice by making this misleading comment. LibreOffice mostly works with MS Office docs, but not always and not accurately. I had to fill in a form made in MS Word. I tried LibreOffice and the results were unusable - LibreOffice could not render the form properly. So when you write comments like 'works fine', that is not the whole story. When Joe User is sent a form as I was and sees the results, he is not going to write back to the sender 'your form is broken in LibreOffice', he is going to use MS Word instead.

Please, you can use this same argument about Affinity Photo with PSD support, which isn't perfect so of course We ShOuLdN't UsE iT with that logic. Why do you use Affinity Photo? it's super niche, barely anyone uses it, Photoshop is mainstream and 99% of professionals will be using that.. Just like Windows vs Linux. 

Also, if you have nothing but complaints about Linux, why do you even use it for the last 25 years (which I question, since you seem to have a lot of perceptions about Linux which are just bandwagon comments from people that don't use Linux)?

[D’T4ils]

9 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

I'm not trolling anybody. I'm pointing out one or two home truths. If that upsets some people, sorry.

Your attempts at looking smart are so cute 😂

[Squirrel Logic]

10 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

I'm not trolling anybody. I'm pointing out one or two home truths. If that upsets some people, sorry.

The reason why people thought that you came off as trolling was because you were using the same "one or two home truths" (i.e. arguments) ad nauseam. Usually repeating the same thing over and over again is considered spamming.

[D’T4ils]

1 minute ago, Squirrel Logic said:

The reason why people thought that you came off as trolling was because you were using the same "one or two home truths" (i.e. arguments) ad nauseam. Usually repeating the same thing over and over again is considered spamming.

The reason why people THINK he’s trolling is because HE IS trolling. As I mentioned, another thread with the same topic got closed because of his stupid attitude. He’s clearly not trying to do any kind of constructive criticism here, so I beg you to simply ignore him. He’s not trying to help anybody here, only his ego.

[MattyWS]

2 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

So saying there is a reasonable market for Linux desktop apps over and over again is not spamming? Just if you disagree with it?

Naming a bunch of old failed software as a reason for Linux failing is just fundamentally flawed logic. There's plenty of thriving software on Linux. Stop fear mongering for no reason. If you don't wan't Linux support go elsewhere and stop wasting this request thread.

[MattyWS]

2 minutes ago, D’T4ils said:

The reason why people THINK he’s trolling is because HE IS trolling. As I mentioned, another thread with the same topic got closed because of his stupid attitude. He’s clearly not trying to do any kind of constructive criticism here, so I beg you to simply ignore him. He’s not trying to help anybody here, only his ego.

yea, this is probably the best idea to just ignore him.

On a side note I just found out that World Machine works flawlessly on Linux via wine with zero hiccups or drawbacks, so yea the last remaining thing for me that Linux doesn't have is a decent replacement for photoshop/illustrator. for my regular workflow. Or rather, Gimp and Inkscape exist but they're...not great to use and I would rather have the likes of Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer (or at the very least I can just use Photoshop CS6 on Linux but thats gross)

[Squirrel Logic]

13 minutes ago, D’T4ils said:

The reason why people THINK he’s trolling is because HE IS trolling. As I mentioned, another thread with the same topic got closed because of his stupid attitude. He’s clearly not trying to do any kind of constructive criticism here, so I beg you to simply ignore him. He’s not trying to help anybody here, only his ego.

Oookay. Earlier I was starting to think that having the thread locked was the intended consequence of his posts, since it was the only logical explanation I could think if. I didn't realize that it had happened before.

[MattyWS]

"If they would just decide to have affinity running on linux they would take over" - Pablo from Blender

[D’T4ils]

26 minutes ago, Squirrel Logic said:

Oookay. Earlier I was starting to think that having the thread locked was the intended consequence of his posts, since it was the only logical explanation I could think if. I didn't realize that it had happened before.

In case you wanna take a look:

Check who was mainly involved during the last pages before it got closed, and also the reason that Patrick Connor gave on why he decided to close it. That’s what this “person” is aiming for once again.

Don’t say I didn’t warn you 😘

[User_783649]

4 minutes ago, MattyWS said:

"If they would just decide to have affinity running on linux they would take over" - Pablo from Blender

It's so easy to say something like this, especially if your company is backed and funded by so many large corporations.

Serif don't have sponsors like this: https://fund.blender.org

And they don't sell super expensive hardware like Blackmagic does, where their Resolve package is just a nice tiny addition and actually a very little fraction of their revenue.

And of course, Serif prices are in no comparison with SideFX, where you have to pay thousands and thousands for things like Houdini.

So, after 75 pages in this thread, what are we still arguing about here?

[D’T4ils]

9 minutes ago, MattyWS said:

"If they would just decide to have affinity running on linux they would take over" - Pablo from Blender

Go Pablo! 🥳 Did he say that on one of the latest streams?

[D’T4ils]

1 minute ago, Alex M said:

It's so easy to say something like this, especially if your company is backed and funded by so many large corporations.

Serif don't have sponsors like this: https://fund.blender.org

There was a moment in time when Blender didn’t have that kind of sponsors either, but they’ve proved it is possible to achieve that.

I don’t really understand what you meant by Serif not selling super expensive hardware and/or software. Blender is free, mate. Why did you jump to other companies when the comparison started with Blender?

[MattyWS]

7 minutes ago, D’T4ils said:

Go Pablo! 🥳 Did he say that on one of the latest streams?

his one today when I asked if the Blender institute would ever consider working on other softwares to compliment Blender, specifically an image editing application.