morbandit Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 When I enable the toggle button it only works for 1 insert then switches off. I want it always on so my layers panel forms a logical order from top to bottom of the document. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchshader Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 from the helpfiles it looks like it should stick, maybe a bug To change targeting behaviour: From the Toolbar, choose one of the following: Insert behind the selection Insert at the top of the layer Insert inside the selection To revert to default targeting ensure the active button is switched off. Alternatively, you can access the default behaviour, as well as the other targeting options, from the Layer menu's Insertion sub-menu. Quote intel core i5, 16GB 128Gb ssd win10 Pro Huion new 1060plus. philips 272p 2560x1440px on intel HD2500 onboard graphics Razer Tartarus Chroma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Callum Posted September 14, 2017 Staff Share Posted September 14, 2017 This is by design however the help is written a little confusingly I will bring this up with James to see if he could make it more clear Quote Please tag me using @ in your reply so I can be sure to respond ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gear maker Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 morbandit, I so totally agree with you. I usually construct my drawing mostly from the top down, meaning I tend to draw a lot of the detail first then the background and that makes the layer's order be from the bottom up. So I keep having to drag the detail on top of what I just created to keep it visible. It's easier to drag and reorder 20 layers then it is to hit the toolbar icon before constructing each of 20 shapes. What I have gotten in the habit of doing is to work with my current layer invisible until the shape is what I want. Then drag it below the detail and turn the visibility back on to make adjustments and work with the color. It should be that if the Insert behind selection is clicked once it works for one entry, but if it's double clicked it stays selected until cancelled. Mike morbandit, lepr, R C-R and 3 others 6 Quote iMac (27-inch, Late 2009) with macOS Sierra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aammppaa Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 This strikes me as an odd design choice... if it only sticks for a single operation then there is no real saving (in terms of time, number of operations, clicks etc) over pasting any-old-where and moving the object to the desired location. matisso, anon1, Intuos5 and 2 others 5 Quote Win10 Home x64 | AMD Ryzen 7 2700X @ 3.7GHz | 48 GB RAM | 1TB SSD | nVidia GTX 1660 | Wacom Intuos Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morbandit Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 Yes it's got to be a bug, otherwise why does it exist? Great if we could have a moderator explain the reasoning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I am yet another user who wishes these buttons were "sticky" rather than one-shot-&-reset. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchshader Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 the ui is showing this: and everyware in the ui where there is a checkmark it is a sticky setting. so it is a bug, or the ui should be changed. Intuos5, morbandit, thedivclass and 1 other 4 Quote intel core i5, 16GB 128Gb ssd win10 Pro Huion new 1060plus. philips 272p 2560x1440px on intel HD2500 onboard graphics Razer Tartarus Chroma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morbandit Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, dutchshader said: the ui is showing this: and everyware in the ui where there is a checkmark it is a sticky setting. so it is a bug, or the ui should be changed. Totally agree. Please change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morbandit Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 Can we have a moderator chime in on the fact that this APPEARS to be a toggle but isn't a toggle at all, it's a one-time thing which makes the feature completely pointless? It also doesn't work when turning it on and then duplicating or pasting. It's very broken right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aammppaa Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Cross posted from Bug Report Thread: [By Design] Insert behind selection toggle keeps resetting Quote 1 hour ago, Chris_K said: this is by design as it is felt that keeping it sticky will make it generally to confusing for most as it will be left on without people realising How about removing the feature all together - then it will not be confusing to anyone? I am serious! At present, users who want the option to change how objects are stacked on creation are being misled (by the help file, the UI and reasonable assumptions based upon similar toggles) that AD will give them this control. Users who would be confused by the toggle sticking are, IMHO, just as likely to be confused by the current setup… They must remember that the feature exists Remember where it is located. Remember to click it before creating the new object. And remember to have the correct layer selected (so that the relative positioning makes sense). Plus, understand that this is a sequence that they must perform each time they want to deviate from the default! I honestly thing that just creating the object anywhere and then moving it is easier for everyone than the currently implemented solution. My preferred outcome would be a sticky toggle (as discussed HERE). I really hope the developers revisit this particular design choice! morbandit and Alfred 2 Quote Win10 Home x64 | AMD Ryzen 7 2700X @ 3.7GHz | 48 GB RAM | 1TB SSD | nVidia GTX 1660 | Wacom Intuos Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toltec Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 The shortcut keys to move behind or in front are Ctrl + [ or Ctrl + ] I set the shortcut Alt + [ to Inset behind. Only takes a moment to press. Not perfect perhaps, but it may help for now ? Quote Windows PCs. Photo and Designer, latest non-beta versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Aammppaa said: How about removing the feature all together - then it will not be confusing to anyone? I can only speak for myself, but for me it would not be confusing if it was considerably more obvious if any button in the Insert Target button group in the Toolbar was toggled on or not. This is just another aspect of the same problem caused by the low contrast button backgrounds in other parts of the UI, which makes it difficult to see if a 'sticky' button is on or off. Aammppaa 1 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morbandit Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 Seems unbelievable to me that they are happy with the way this currently works. What the heck is the point in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 56 minutes ago, morbandit said: Seems unbelievable to me that they are happy with the way this currently works. What the heck is the point in it? If the currently selected layer on the canvas is several layers deep in a group hierarchy, clicking (for example) the 'insert inside' button on the toolbar can save a trip to the Layers panel. I use that button frequently, particularly when the Layers panel is not fully expanded. morbandit 1 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josie Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 How do I insert behind and in front of a selection or a photo when designing on the iPad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, Josie said: How do I insert behind and in front of a selection or a photo when designing on the iPad? This is an old thread about the desktop versions of the Affinity apps. Please create a new thread in the Affinity on iPad Questions forum. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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