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In both AP and AD,

 

I have created a reference layer (1), placed a photo on it, and lock that layer. Another layer (2) was created and is being used to hold elements traced from the locked layer. 

The problem, I cannot box-select the elements on the second layer if the box begins over the photo on the locked layer. Even though layer one is locked it get selected. I can also just click on the background image on that locked layer and select it, of course, I can't do anything with it once selected...because it is locked.

 

The question: Is there a setting I am missing that prevents the object on the locked layer (or locked object) from being selected? Seems to me that if something is truly locked I should not be able to select it.

 

Thank

-Bill

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It doesn't stop you selecting it but you cant move it or resize it.

 

If you just want to select the items on the "holding" layer, just click on the later thumbnail.

 

 


Windows PCs. Photo and Designer, latest non-beta versions.

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16 minutes ago, toltec said:

It doesn't stop you selecting it but you cant move it or resize it.

 

If you just want to select the items on the "holding" layer, just click on the later thumbnail.

 

 

Right, I understand how it works and how I can work around the problem, but I am asking if there is a way to turn this behavior off. CorelDRAW has an option of working on the current layer or across all layers on top of having the ability to lock layers and independent objects on each layer.

 

It makes absolutely no sense to have the ability to select a locked object (or objects on a locked layer) and have that selection interfere with the selection of other objects of other layers. To find objects in a stack of more than a few dozen drive me bonkers.

 

This is especially difficult when working on drawings with thousands of node and hundreds of objects. Other programs I have work in do not have this behavior including Illustrator, CorelDRAW, Canvas, Xara, and Inkscape. I just don't get it.

 

These seemingly little things turn into major roadblocks, and they keep sending me back to Illustrator to allow me to get the job done.

 

Thanks for the reply and apparently listening to me rant. :-)

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Hi befehr,
How are you selecting the image inside the locked layer on canvas?
What steps are you taking? Can you post a screenshot of your layer structure so i can see what you are doing please?

You shouldn't be able to select an object on a locked layer on canvas (only using the Layers panel).

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AD_SelectionExamples.thumb.jpg.046ae53c3fa22f2181735f25b933fea5.jpgHi MEB,

 

Yeah, visual aids do help a conversation about visual elements, don't they. ;-)

 

I have attached an image. Know that the selection process isn't a big deal as shown here in this illustration, but it becomes more of a big deal when you many, many elements and have zoomed in to close so that you can see the work.

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Thank you for the screenshots/details. I'm now able to reproduce this here and will pass it to the dev team. This is a bug.

Meanwhile there's a workaround you can use to select the objects: press and hold ⌥ (option/alt) and drag the marquee selection around them - make sure the background image is NOT selected already, otherwise this will not work. If you are zoomed in and accidentally clicked the background selecting the image layer press ESC to deselect it then press and hold ⌥ (option/alt) and then proceed to draw the marquee selection around the objects you want to select.

The ⌥ (option/alt) modifier described above is usually used to select objects laying above another bigger one (not locked) without selecting it, but can be used here as a workaround for this issue while it's being fixed.

 

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@MEB, wondering if this is still under your radar. I found this is especially painful when I try to trace over background images/photos using pen tools. Thanks!

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On 30/12/2017 at 10:23 PM, cyp said:

@MEB, wondering if this is still under your radar. I found this is especially painful when I try to trace over background images/photos using pen tools. Thanks!

 

I was told by MEB in November that the behaviour is by design, unfortunately. I use the same workaround as given by dr_who above. The thread:

 

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11 minutes ago, befehr said:

The behavior is by design? I wonder why?

 

I provided a link to the thread where MEB explains the reason. Click the blue text in the header of my quote.

 

 

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Also, if you're picky about semantics and having an empty pseudo-object in your layer stack annoys you, you could also just move the pixel object to a normal layer and then either lock the object or the layer containing it. Seems to work as well.

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On 2/25/2018 at 2:13 PM, dr_who said:

Another workaround: just make sure the pixel image you wish to lock isn't the undermost element in your layer stack. Even an empty layer beneath the pixel image will do the trick.

 

Thanks! a lot!

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I came across this bug aswell. My workaround: use artboards. When the locked layer is contained inside an artboard, it is not selectable through the canvas-- 

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It's really annoying and I don't remember it always doing that. But I just duplicate something and "send it to the back" or "all the way down" underneath the background layer and lock it too.

Then it work normal.

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