BLine5 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) @MEB Could you have this documented somewhere in the help files? I spent an inordinate amount of time trying to figure this out, gave up, used a different photo editor to delete a selection and then brought that back into AP. The whole modality of different layer types (pixel, image, etc) is a bit of a bear to figure out, especially if you're experienced with any other editor. There should also be an explicit section on layer types—limitations, etc.—in the product docs. Thanks. (Edit: Running v1.6.7 of AP (macOS). Just checked the in-app help file. Under the Layers section there is no mention of an Image type layer. A pretty significant oversight.) Edited December 18, 2018 by BLine5 Checking Help File... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 24 minutes ago, robinp said: Your point is interesting and yes, switching to marquee having created the lasso selection does indeed enable the contents to be deleted. ok, so it seems the delete key is being handled inconsistently between tools - that is very likely a bug 20 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: That confuses me a bit, as Windows has both Delete and Backspace keys. The original Mac keyboard had a "backspace" key: https://www.macworld.com/article/2090522/unboxing-a-30-year-old-macintosh-128k.html#slide19 It was replaced with a "delete" key with the switch to the ADB connector: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_Macintosh_ADB_Keyboard.jpg When the "extended" keyboards started coming out they added a "forward delete" key to do basically what the "delete" key does on Windoze-type keyboards. All of Apple's documentation for a long time now has called them delete and forward delete, not backspace. This is also in keeping with the Apple II series: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jean-paul-margnac/3800713644 walt.farrell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted December 18, 2018 Staff Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, firstdefence said: Ok, drawing a rectangle and pressing backspace I can delete every time, drawing with the lasso I can delete using Cmd + X but backspace just deselects the lasso selection. Backspace for the lasso appears to be Undo, draw 2 or three selections with the lasso and press backspace it will take you to the previously drawn selections, until it deselects the first selection drawn. This is a bug that was already fixed in Photo Beta 1.7. Pressing backspace always deletes the contents of the selection for the active layer. Pressing backspace with an object/layer selected (no selection active), deletes the object/layer instead (which is how most editors behave as well). Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinp Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, MEB said: This is a bug that was already fixed in Photo Beta 1.7. Pressing backspace always deletes the contents of the selection for the active layer. Pressing backspace with an object/layer selected (no selection active), deletes the object/layer instead. Great that the lasso bug has been picked up. I really really don’t like deleting the layer via backspace / delete key. It is horribly dangerous. At the very least, can we make it so that the shortcuts are controlled separately. It seems to me that conceptually deleting the contents of a selection is very different to deleting a layer. That they are controlled with the same shortcut just seems wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted December 18, 2018 Staff Share Posted December 18, 2018 Pixelmator, Photoshop etc also delete the layer when you press backspace. We are not doing something out of the ordinary here. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, robinp said: I really really don’t like deleting the layer via backspace / delete key. It is horribly dangerous. Maybe it is just me but the only interactions I consider horribly dangerous are ones that are not immediately obvious & can't be undone. If, for whatever reason, the entire layer I am currently working on is deleted as the result of an action, I am pretty sure I will notice that immediately.... Alfred 1 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, R C-R said: Maybe it is just me but the only interactions I consider horribly dangerous are ones that are not immediately obvious & can't be undone. No, it’s not just you! R C-R 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Loving the Santa hat @R C-R Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 9 hours ago, firstdefence said: Loving the Santa hat @R C-R Just as an FYI, @R C-R borrowed my spare elf hat and dyed it! Nice wreath, BTW. Are you planning to give us a lecture? R C-R and firstdefence 2 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, єℓƒяє∂ said: Just as an FYI, @R C-R borrowed my spare elf hat and dyed it! I did no such thing! Elf hats are far too small to fit over my skull, pointy as it is. If I had done that, it would have looked something like this: firstdefence and Alfred 2 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinp Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 12/18/2018 at 8:59 PM, MEB said: Pixelmator, Photoshop etc also delete the layer when you press backspace. We are not doing something out of the ordinary here. It's interesting because I've never noticed it being a problem in Photoshop etc. I wonder if there is something different about the way it works? Maybe it's just because I was hitting delete so much trying to get the contents of the lasso tool to delete. Anyway, my point about the keyboard shortcut being the same for deleting the contents of a lasso / marquee and for deleting a layer being peculiar seems valid still. If we are going to have control over shortcuts (which is great) it would seem sensible that two different actions could be controlled with different shortcuts (or disabled individually). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LES1466 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 5/6/2017 at 7:49 PM, OlaHaldor said: I feel really stupid for asking but I can't find anything in the help file or find any menu item for this. It's pretty basic: I make a rectangle marquee selection, and intuitively press DELETE or BACKSPACE. Both will delete the LAYER, not what's inside the selection. :rolleyes: How do I remove the selected part of the image? (I'm not talking about cropping, just removing pixels from a layer) OR how can I copy what's inside the selection and paste into a new layer? Nothing stupid about this question!!! Its the most simple and obvious thing to do, make a square or shape around something you want to delete and delete it, or edit it. Ive never heard anything so ridiculous that you have to rasterise it first!!! Why??? I dont always want to rasterise something!!! Why are there 2 types of layer??? A pixel layer and an image layer??? I never had to mess around like that in a famous other brand editor. I just really cant get my head around this... This is supposed to be the best alternative to that other software and the fact that you just cant delete something so simple inside a selection is just absolutely stupid!!! Just bought this software and am instantly gutted that its not self explanatory and obvious!!! Im pressing command and x and the layer keeps disappearing... WTF!!! Can I modify my own command so it works to my preferences rather than the step ones put in by the designers of this software?? Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 58 minutes ago, LES1466 said: Can I modify my own command so it works to my preferences rather than the step ones put in by the designers of this software?? Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums. You cannot change that behavior. If you continue to use the Affinity applications you will need to get used to Image layers, and how to deal with them. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinp Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: If you continue to use the Affinity applications you will need to get used to Image layers, and how to deal with them. I understand your sentiment of being realistic and providing advice, but part of the point of these forums is to communicate with Serif about problems and feature requests. The behaviour as it is currently is terrible. So it’s reasonable to hope that it might be fixed one day. Yes, I realise others might be OK with it as it is, but even after several years I still find it incredibly bad. Jowday and LES1466 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowday Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 There is also another option; Serif hires a user experience designer and gives especially Photo a usability overhaul after user testing and massive customer input and adjusts Affinity to what people would expect and prefer. It would certainly lead to more satisfied customers and more creative customers. A World War II Plane That Kept Crashing Helped Lead to Steve Jobs's Biggest Innovations https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/steve-jobs-boeing-b-17-wwii-paul-fitts-alphonse-chapanis-code-shaping-ergonomics-design.html Quote "The user interface is supposed to work for me - I am not supposed to work for the user interface." Computer-, operating system- and software agnostic; I am a result oriented professional. Look for a fanboy somewhere else. “When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.” ― Confucius Not an Affinity user og forum user anymore. The software continued to disappoint and not deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LES1466 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 hours ago, walt.farrell said: Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums. You cannot change that behavior. If you continue to use the Affinity applications you will need to get used to Image layers, and how to deal with them. Thanks for your reply but, I can see people's instant responses, and previous responses to the "PROBLEM", that I am not alone, instantly, with my purchase of the software.... Its one of the main functions that many people when editing a picture, just a quick snip here and edit there.... I only purchased the software yesterday, installed it, tried it and instantly had search on Google because, "why the hell does the whole layer delete when I click command X", or delete on PC".... Even though a very cheap and cost effective, and no stupid subscriptions, like on that other "brand", I am just instantly wound up about using it because of what you have to do with layers, and types of layers.... Whats even worse, this is AP's choice to be like this, its not because of some copy right or something daft that this is like that as; I was trying another brand, aside from the big obvious one and THAT, which I guess I cant name, worked exactly the same as the really big popular one.... In fact, there is only AP that I have ever seen do this silly thing with the layers. As for "If you continue to use the Affinity applications you will need to get used to Image layers, and how to deal with them", I seriously don't think I will be mate!! This issue is enough to make me uninstall and get a refund. It really is that big a deal.... You expect certain types of software to act and behave in certain ways and this is one of them. Its a annoying as, every single key on your keyboard doing a completely different thing than you expect it to.... Imagine pressing the delete button and every time you did a new page opened, or every time you pressed the space bar instead of a space it deleted your last 10 edits..... Yes, sounds ridiculous!!! Thats how ridiculous the stupid layer thing is!!! I never go on forums and complain about anything.... Until now.... Can you please fix this problem Affinity.... I'm just one of, "imagine how many millions", this could of pissed off and went elsewhere because of something this daft!!! Les Whingebag!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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