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I'm exclusively shooting Fuji X-T1.

My config: Win 7  - Quad dual core i7 2.7GHz  - 24GB RAM  - Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

 

Bought Affinity f. Win yesterday.

After 3 hours of frustration I consider this program completely useless, at least in my workflow.

 

Issues encountered so far:

Opening a Fuji raw (.RAF) file takes 30 seconds.

The histogram is compressed at the far left, rendering the image way too dark (example attached).

Can not resolve this using the develop sliders.

More often than not the program becomes unresponsive for 5-10 seconds after touching a slider.

 

No solutions found in the help manual.

 

- Frank

 

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Hi Frank,


Sorry you've been having problems with Affinity.

I've downloaded a couple (the last two on the RAW sample section) of Fuji X-T1 RAW samples from here: http://www.photographyblog.com/previews/fujifilm_x_t1_photos/ 

 

Both of those files appear to open correctly for me in Affinity and don't have any of the compression you're seeing with your file. Would you mind attaching a copy of the file that is giving you problems to our internal Dropbox account please? 

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Hi arcutac

 

Just to add to Sean's post, from you screenshot it looks as if the tone mapping has not been applied. In the develop persona can you click on the develop assistant (the tuxedo looking button) and ensure apply tone curve is selected in the tone curve drop down

 

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Thanks for your replies.

@Sean - Uploaded 2 RAF files (plus SOC JPGs for reference). Both have the histogram-to-the-far-left issue.
A couple of sample images from your link (fujifilm_x_t1_01.raf, fujifilm_x_t1_17.raf) both looks more "normal". The histogram is still somewhat more to the left, compared to ACR.

All RAF files I have tried takes 30+ seconds to load - totally unacceptable.

@Cris - tone curve IS applied, if not it looks even worse, flat and no contrast at all.
 

- Frank

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I have same problem with histogram, here you have comparision how it look like in AP i PS Elements.

​Surprisingly, I don't see much difference on the pictures themselves

 

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Edit: If I go to develop assistant and change the RAW type to 32 bit (as it is reported in EXIF data), then image itself becomes visibly darker.

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Thanks for your replies.

 

@Sean - Uploaded 2 RAF files (plus SOC JPGs for reference). Both have the histogram-to-the-far-left issue.

A couple of sample images from your link (fujifilm_x_t1_01.raf, fujifilm_x_t1_17.raf) both looks more "normal". The histogram is still somewhat more to the left, compared to ACR.

 

All RAF files I have tried takes 30+ seconds to load - totally unacceptable.

 

@Cris - tone curve IS applied, if not it looks even worse, flat and no contrast at all.

 

- Frank

Thanks Frank,

 

I've reproduced the issue with your images and passed it onto the development. I have also passed on your issues regarding the speed when loading RAW files so they can take a look into that!

 

Thanks

Sean

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Hey guys, another X-Shooter here. I have used my X20, X-E1 and X-E2 with affinity. All RAF Files were displayed correctly for me. But its true, the import of RAW files still takes a bit long. Reminds me of the latest versions of Lightroom, they had a similar issue in the past.

But I think its ok right now - just need to be improved in upcoming versions of AP. :)

 

I will test the develop persona again with XT1 and XT2 from the source above

X-T1 http://www.photographyblog.com/previews/fujifilm_x_t1_photos/

X-T2 http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/fujifilm_x_t2_review/sample_images/

 

I have another issue(feature) with Fuji RAF files for the future: we need the fuji film/picturestyles in the RAW persona

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ok, Ive tested it with 4 files now and yes, its an reproduceable issue.

(I never noticed this before, maybe because I don't compare them together)  ^_^ 

To be fair and maybe to help the affinity develop team I attached two pictures.

The first one is Adobe Camera Raw, the second one is Affinity Photo RAW Persona.

 

I can make them near equal by bringing

- the exposure slider to +2 steps

- and the color temperature to the same value of ACR.

 

BUT,

- the Histogram is still far away from a correctly display

 

So like I said, Its just a misinterpreting of the fuji RAW files at import :)

 

I hope this will help. 

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Found an explanation, but no real solution to this issue.

Fuji RAF files with a Dynamic Range setting other than DR100 are underexposed to protect the highlights (DR200 = -1 stop, DR400 = -2 stops).

 

Affinity does not take this setting into consideration when demosaicing the raw file.

 

I can bump the Exposure slider +2 on a DR400 file, the histogram then looks ok, BUT there is no more headroom for further compensation.

Check the histogram of the attached screen shots.

 

Any hope that this will be corrected in a future version?

 

- Frank

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I believe that you are seeing a difference between a Histogram in Develop at 32bit and one in Photo at 16bit. Once you hit the develop button you can see the difference:

 

 

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Win 10 x64 System with Intuos Pen & Touch
 - Sys : Intel® Core™ i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz (8 CPUs), 16GB RAM
 - GPU 1: Intel HD Graphics 630, GPU 2: NVIDIA GTX1050, 4GB

 

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On 18.10.2017 at 1:08 PM, Patrick Connor said:

RAW file loading speed

Ive tested it again today:
33 seconds on Windows 10 using Beta version #1.5.2.69
around 25 seconds on Windows 10 using #1.6.2.76-85
19 seconds on Windows 10 using the new #86

There is an improvement, but its still too slow :)

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Nothing has changed with regards to RAW file loading in between those versions, so if you're experiencing 35% performance degradation, it must be something else. If you look in Task Manager, are you making sure no other processes are taking CPU cycles when you're recording the times?

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ok, tried it again. Sorry for that. Youre right. I will have the same requirements for the next tests (wrote it on paper)

But, I have found another bug.
There is no EXIF Data for my fuji X-E2 RAF files in the current Beta. I remembered this for one of the earlier 1.6. Betas too, but I cannot say if it was in the latest 3 Betas also. X20, X-E1, works fine, maybe only a X-E2 and above problem?

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Just installed 1.6.0.86. 

My rig is still Win7 - Quad dual core i7 2.7GHz  - 24GB RAM  - Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

 

- still takes 35+ seconds to open a Fuji RAF file

- still does not recognise DR200 DR400 settings

- still locks the pc up when doing simple operations such as bump the exposure

- generating a fine histogram locks up the pc for 30+ seconds

- still completely useless in my workflow

 

Apparently Fuji shooters are a low priority customer group

 

- Frank

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You can see from my signature the PC specs I have and I don't suffer any of the symptoms you say you have. The maximum time for opening a RAF file is 15 secs for me.

 

There aren't any applications out there that will recognize DR settings as these are propriety to Fuji.

 

I wonder if your GPU drivers are up to date?


Win 10 x64 System with Intuos Pen & Touch
 - Sys : Intel® Core™ i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz (8 CPUs), 16GB RAM
 - GPU 1: Intel HD Graphics 630, GPU 2: NVIDIA GTX1050, 4GB

 

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2 hours ago, arcutac said:

Just installed 1.6.0.86. 

My rig is still Win7 - Quad dual core i7 2.7GHz  - 24GB RAM  - Nvidia GeForce GTX 780
 

- still takes 35+ seconds to open a Fuji RAF file

- still does not recognise DR200 DR400 settings

- still locks the pc up when doing simple operations such as bump the exposure

- generating a fine histogram locks up the pc for 30+ seconds

- still completely useless in my workflow

 

Apparently Fuji shooters are a low priority customer group


Yes, its still slow
but here on my notebook with just an old dual i5 4200m at 2,5GHz and 8GB RAM, Intel HD Graphics 4600
It works way better as in the Betas before #8? (see my list above)

No RAW Editor can handle DR Settings, because its not a RAW Information. Only for the JPEGs :)

Yes, for CPU peaks at simple operations and the histogram lag

Im still hoping, fuji has the same importance for the affinity dev team, like all other camera brands... 

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